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2010 2011 BMW 5 Series Forum F10 Dynamic Handling Package: Why it's the Best BMW Suspension Money Can Buy |
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11-04-2014, 08:53 AM | #89 | |
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11-06-2014, 11:24 AM | #92 |
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I just checked the inventory of 435xi coupes at the three largest dealers in Colorado, for fun. I only found 2 cars on lots that had DHP - and those two cars both had MSRPs around $65,000 because the dealers obviously checked every single box on the order.
So, one interesting issue with DHP is that dealers don't seem to value it.
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Most people will never drive their BMW hard enough to need DHP. Those that do are usually reckless or enthusiasts. One will check all the box because they have the money, the other will find the exact model/options or custom build their cars. Dealers are only interested in the mainstream buyers that will flop over and sign the loan/lease agreement. |
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I think a lot of these BMWs people are driving do feel different, only people don't seem to know why.
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If you can't find a car with DHP, I say do a custom order.
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11-09-2014, 10:03 PM | #96 | |
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You could definitely feel DHP. It takes the car to a completely different level. |
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11-10-2014, 09:00 AM | #97 | |
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Many of us on this forum would never drive a car without either DHP or the 704 suspension, but the fact that dealers aren't ordering spec cars with it says that most of the target market doesn't understand or value it.
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11-10-2014, 09:59 PM | #98 | |
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The middle upper-class soccer mom who wants a BMW to impress her girlfriends won't care what DHP is, nor will she ever use it - sorry to be so crass, but it's true. Even most run of the mill guys won't give a darn either. And without really getting to experience it (limited cars on the lots to test drive), even the enthusiast may find it troubling to spend $3,500 on an option and "hope" they'll like it. The reality is, it IS that good... and it's worth every penny. Not only for those who drive "recklessly" or are "enthusiasts" - but anyone who values comfort AND sportiness in one vehicle will love it. And the ARS helps make the car feel smaller by controlling its girth in the corners. The way I see it, this should just come standard on the 550. I don't see why anyone spending $70k - $90k on a car should be quibbling about $3.5k of cost if it makes the car significantly better. And I suspect that's where it's going - an expensive option today that we'll slowly start to see incorporated as standard equipment at the top of the line and work its way down. Is it the future of suspensions? I think so. My R8 has Audi's magnetic ride (similar to DHP) - but it only goes from "firm" ("Normal") to "eyeball popping firm" ("Sport") but completely transforms the ride in doing so as with BMW's DHP. Normal works fine for the road, providing just a little relief over bumps, and the sport setting allows you to firm up for the track, all with one simple button push. Granted, if these shocks break/leak, they're about $8k to replace all 4... so with this technology comes a trade-off in maintenance costs down the road (don't know how much BMW's shocks cost to replace with DHP). Anyone considering a modern BMW, especially a bigger saloon like the 5 or 7, really owes it to themselves to drive a car with DHP to decide. Out of all the gadgets on my 5 series, DHP is one of my favorites - because it gets used routinely and can really help make the car fit the driving situation.
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Just picked up my 535i M Sport with the Dynamic Handling Pkg (Adaptive Drive) and Performance RFTs. To be honest, I was worried since my ailing wife needs her comfort. But in Comfort Plus mode it was more comfortable than my previous 528i with All Season tires. I've only tempted myself in Sports Plus mode because I only have 65 miles on the car. However, I can feel everything tighten up and am looking forward to putting this baby through its paces. Have fun. |
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My understanding is that Sport+ is the same as Sport except it turns off DSC. That is, the suspension, tranny and steering should feel the same as Sport mode all the way up to the point where the car wraps around the tree.
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You and I are in the same market and I can't find any DHP equipped F10's to drive at any of the local dealerships. My question for you is: in your back-to-back test, were you driving two LCI F10's or were one or both of them pre-LCI? |
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Suspension fits into that category, as it is a set of compromises. Passive suspension (of any combination) is more limited by design, has a fixed set of compromises. Adaptive suspensions widen the working envelope, which equates to less compromise, over varied conditions. Something like DHP (Adaptive Drive) gives us a wider envelope over an even wider working range. Now whether we as drivers see extra value in a particular suspension, is again influenced by our view of compromises. Some are willing to compromise on ride quality with a firmer passive suspension. Will sacrifice comfort on poor surfaces for better handling. If we can have both, many will rate that as better. It is certainly going to be different, as we don't get both with passive, be it standard or sport suspension. For me less compromise is very advantageous, I see it as the best OEM suspension on offer. I've driven many BMW 704 suspensions over the years, always some limitation, Adaptive Drive is my choice any day. I fully understand many will not see or feel its value, option 704 will be a good enough compromise, even preferred. Partly due to it giving a stiffer sport feel we are accustomed and conditioned to expect. Adaptive Drive has a different feel, "soft where possible, firm when necessary". Live with it for a while and it is clear it is an advanced suspension, which works for those who want comfort and a controlled chassis. |
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I find it funny that they made adaptive drive a separate package. my previous car was an e60 msport 550 and that had adaptive drive, and yes, it made a huge difference. I didn't even bother putting coil overs on my 550 for that reason. they would have been redundant. then again, my e60 550 also had adaptive side bolsters (standard on the e60 m5, optional on e60 550 only), and it was lovely
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02-13-2018, 02:10 PM | #106 |
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Yes. You can use any springs you like with DHP.
Replacing the shocks with aftermarket units is what causes extra grief, as they don't have the electronic valves for the DHP system to use. Be mindful that lowering springs WILL accelerate the wear on your stock shocks. The lower the spring, the stiffer the spring, the harder it will be on your stock shocks. Traditionally, BMW shocks tend to wear quicker than others. What car year and model do you have? How many miles? More than 50k miles? Those DHP shocks may have already started their downward decline and springs that are too aggressive can destroy them in short order. These shocks are very expensive too, $800+ each. BMW charges $2200 to install them, on top of that. A question for you... Is your car LCI or preLCi? Does the front of your car dip down when you lightly brake to a stop? Like at stop signs or pulling into a parking spot? |
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But in practice, the LCI models with DHP suffer more dive on braking than does the base suspension or 704 suspension. Squat on acceleration and front end lift on acceleration are negligible. But that brake dive is horrendous... In all driving modes, even sport +, it's there. It is worse on light to moderate braking, but when braking hard, it seems that the electronics try a bit harder to resist the dive and rebound. |
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