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07-25-2010, 08:26 PM | #89 | |
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"What, exactly, befell the new 535i? Steering feel. Rather, lack of steering feel. The new electric power assist has not only rendered the steering uncommunicative—particularly on-center—but, for some reason, it has also become heavier. When you can’t determine road textures and slip angles and how hard those 19-inch Goodyear run-flats are working, you lose confidence if the roads are damp and as kinked as week-old spaghetti. And when you lose confidence, the poison seeps into other crevices. Notice, for instance, that the 535i demonstrated terrific skidpad grip—an objective rating. Then, in the hills, its handling earned the lowest score—a subjective rating. That, in turn, infected the fun-to-drive ranking, where the BMW tanked because it’s simply no bowl of cherries predicting real-world lateral stick when the steering coughs up so few clues. Guess wrong and you’ll seriously rearrange the C-pillar’s signature “Hofmeister kink.”" Last edited by erio; 07-25-2010 at 09:30 PM.. |
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As for car & driver, I'd have more questions as their distribution of points and specs of the cars are suspect also whether one agrees with c & d on the cars tested in the subjective areas, and one shouldn't compare the handling of the F10 with say a E90 http://www.caranddriver.com/var/ezfl...0ed856746b.pdf Last edited by bm323; 07-25-2010 at 10:37 PM.. |
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07-26-2010, 10:15 AM | #91 | |
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07-26-2010, 03:43 PM | #93 | |
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You may have a point. I would assume they had idrive set up with the most aggressive settings so the customer would be able to easily see the differences, but I'm not sure. I only know I compared it in all settings, including sport+ mode. Can the steering be adjusted in idrive as well? I wish it could be adjusted back to hydraulic as it gives the best feedback. Last edited by erio; 07-26-2010 at 07:01 PM.. |
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07-26-2010, 09:56 PM | #94 | |
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07-28-2010, 01:44 PM | #95 | |
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Possibly. However, I don't buy it and I honestly don't think it would have made much difference. |
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07-28-2010, 06:30 PM | #96 |
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there was plenty of whining about active steering when e90 came out as how the steering was artificial and boosted, but I found it fantastic and after getting used to it, found it far better than almost any other BMW steering.
I am sure the same will be true here. Many new BMW features need getting used to (like idrive) but are more rewarding in the end. Atleast that is what I believe... |
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07-29-2010, 02:40 AM | #98 |
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5-Series Sedan is "softer" for a reason: the upcoming 6-Series GranCoupe. It will be the sportiest non-M 4-door car in BMW range. Sleek, low, sporty, engaging, more elegant and more exclusive. Therefore 5-series Sedan morphed more into luxo-executive sedan, to make space for 6-Seriec GC which is coming in late 2012.
Yet more sportiness in 6-Seres GC will come at a price: less interior space (mostly less head room), less comfort (sportier suspension) & less usability (smaller trunk) compared to 5-Series Sedan. |
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07-29-2010, 12:02 PM | #99 |
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When the 2001 330i came out, there was a similar uproar about the numb, over assisted steering. I noticed it immdiately when I picked my wife's car up 3 states away. BMW actally offered to retrofit the 328 steering rack gratis, and I took them up on it. Made a big difference. Doubt that they'd do it these days, but I wouldn't be surprised if a fix is in the works and while come on line soon. The C&D article is serious bad press.
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07-29-2010, 06:59 PM | #100 |
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wouldn't surprise me if they tune the power assisted steering from sep production...
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07-31-2010, 04:41 PM | #101 | |
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I have driven the F10 (535 with standard suspension). I thought it was a "nice" car but was not overwhelmed by any means. While the drive did not allow me to "wring it out" the feeling I had walking away at the end was that the car was overweight, and that the N55, while not slow, was best described as brisk, not overpowering. The comments by others in this thread tend to reinforce those views, and similar comments have been made in various car mags.
I think the thing that bothers many people is that we should NOT have to buy an optional suspension to get good handling, which has always been the hallmark of BMWs for decades. The loss of steering feel is just one more irritant. Obviously, BMW wants to sell cars and probably figures that those who care more about handling and less about just having a roundel on their hoods, will just ante up for the optional suspension. Quote:
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Listen folks - I've never purchased a car based on Car & Driver or another magazine.
I've purchased based on whim and gut feel. My last car was a Nissan GT-R, and while it won every review in its first few months, it had serious flaws. I expect the 535i to be everything I hoped for - a modern, luxo-cruiser with some flair of sportiness. If it doesn't cut the mustard, I'll get an M5 (or go to a competitor). I advise others to do the same (live with it or trade it for something else). |
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M-Package does not include an M-sport suspension. You can only get that suspension in Europe.
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07-31-2010, 11:18 PM | #108 | |
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08-01-2010, 12:49 PM | #109 | |
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http://f10.5post.com/forums/showthre...ght=suspension M Sport Package, Option 337 Shadow Grey Cloth/Alcantara (surcharge leather) Interior trim Hexagon Aluminium M Sports suspension M Aerodynamic package 18" M light alloy wheels, double spoke 350M with mixed tires and runflat tires (optional 351M 19" see below) BMW Individual anthracite roof lining sport seats for driver and front passenger M leather steering wheel M footrest BMW Individual high-gloss Shadow Line Exhaust pipe tips in dark chrome |
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