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11-14-2023, 05:58 PM | #45 | |
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The richest one percent of this country owns half our country's wealth, five trillion dollars. One third of that comes from hard work, two thirds comes from inheritance, interest on interest accumulating to widows and idiot sons and what I do, stock and real estate speculation...It's bullsh*t. I create nothing. I own. We make the rules, pal...Now you're not naive enough to think we're living in a democracy, are you buddy?
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11-14-2023, 06:25 PM | #46 |
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Porsches rarely break. So there's that.
Fill it up and stomp the crap out of it until empty. Let's be honest, that can't be said about some really great cars. Germans are also reserved by nature. Engineering over pizazz.
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That said, prices for everything are way up. A new Purosangue is $500k, a 296 is $400-500k, etc. I'd say the prices for new Ferrari/McLaren have shot up even more than Porsche. Isn't a new 750S pushing $500k too? |
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11-14-2023, 06:28 PM | #48 | |
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The richest one percent of this country owns half our country's wealth, five trillion dollars. One third of that comes from hard work, two thirds comes from inheritance, interest on interest accumulating to widows and idiot sons and what I do, stock and real estate speculation...It's bullsh*t. I create nothing. I own. We make the rules, pal...Now you're not naive enough to think we're living in a democracy, are you buddy?
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Here are some amazing ideas though for porches: https://www.pinterest.com/LuciaEastep/porches/ |
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THe price thing really comes down to comparables right. And there is no direct comparison if we're talking Cayman.
On the sportscar front, the Miata is the serious contender but it is seriously under powered vs a Cayman. So go the other way, let's say a Z4, is it that much cheaper than a Cayman? It's certainly heavier. Supra? Faster in a straight line but heavier no? Maybe that is the true legit contender? Quick comparison has the 3T Supra some 400 lbs heavier but 30 more HP and 60 more torques than the Cayman. Price gap is about $20K USD. Supra seems a logical option if you can live with the extra 400 lbs. |
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11-14-2023, 10:08 PM | #54 | |
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On the other hand I would have never even considered a Ferrari or McLaren etc. |
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if you value driving enjoyment and connection with the car, bmw still overs value over other comparably priced brands |
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11-15-2023, 06:08 AM | #57 | |
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On the drive home from the dealership it dawned on me that BMW had dropped the E86 Z4 Coupe on the world (a year after I bought my E90). I recalled the Bimmer magazine review of it at the time. The E86 never sold well for some reason, but like your car and the 2nd gen Cayman, the E86 weighed a bit more but had about 20HP more power than the 1st gen Cayman. By mid-December 2014 I had bought my low mileage black 2008 E86 3.0si Coupe. They will have to bury me in it, as it will be my last possession when I leave this earth. A way better car than it's Cayman counterpart. IMO.
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A manual transmission can be set to "comfort", "sport", and "track" modes simply by the technique and speed at which you shift it; it doesn't need "modes", modes are for manumatics that try to behave like a real 3-pedal manual transmission. If you can money-shift it, it's a manual transmission. "Yeah, but NO ONE puts an automatic trans shift knob on a manual transmission."
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Sort of. I'd say good, not great. Mine is a PDK cab so saved a lot vs a hard top manual. I also have a small claim on the front left corner that kept things reasonable with the price point and the mrs. I do regret not pulling the trigger on a manual GTS cab with just 45KM for $87K, I thought it was too much at the time (2019) but they now trade for about $120K. Counter argument is with taxes i have best part of $25k in my pocket. |
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Basically every generation Porsche sports car has some REALLY expensive issue lurking the dark and it's usually associated with causing some major engine or transmission failure. To fix these issues right, you're often looking at a 5 figure repair. After hours and hours of research, I determined the 987.2 Base to be safest reliability bet for a later model NA Porsche. It doesn't have an IMS bearing and the motor seems generally immune to the cylinder bore scoring issue that effects every other 987 and 997 generation car including the .2 models. Overall though, these cars are engineered really well barring some of the expensive potential engine issues. I've had a lot of my 987.2 Cayman apart and everything is robust and comes apart nicely and goes back together tight and only one way. Then there's the body and chassis. My 987.2 weighs about 2980lbs with just under 1/2 tank of fuel and nothing else in the car. The body panels are THICK. There is so much weight in the car from thick panels, insulated interior panels, super beefy suspension and drive axles, and such. The roof sounds and feels completely solid. In comparison, our 2020 4Runner and 2015 Outback feel like sheet metal is half as thick and you can easily flex every panel with barely any force. Everything on those cars sounds very hollow and cheap in comparison. On the Cayman, nothing gives and nothing sounds hollow. The car could easily be 150-200lbs lighter if they made the panels and body like a Miata or GR86.
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I got a friend with a 718 they just bought with the 6cyl and it died on them, got it checked out, bad rings in a cylinder and recommended full rebuild.
Part of this though is the 10 year old used car. You buy a 10 year old used car or older...expect issues. People tend to have a nostalgic view of cars they owned they bought new or somewhere much closer to. In many cases, you are going to be dumping money into it. I've had a few used cars and more than a few had notable issues...issues that could be or were fixed, but I've kind of learned that lesson, that more than 10 years old is going to be a "mechanics special" in many ways, whether you do the work or someone else does. Properly maintained, a Porsche will do great at the track and you can beat it over and over.
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I bought my Cayenne with 50k miles. Luckily it has 3 years CPO. Battery died day after I got it. It's apparently some proprietary lithium battery and it's like $3k to replace and they seem to go bad a lot (luckily dealer covered it as it was day after because I've heard neither CPO nor regular warrant cover it). I've also had an oil leak for about a year that first dealer brushed off and said they couldn't find any leak then ignored me when I had my indy confirm it was still leaking and provided photos. Had to take it to another dealer who found engine mount leaking... had to get that replaced under CPO. Wipers never worked properly, had to get new sensor. Car is now at 70k miles so not horrible, better than my 335i which spent more time at the dealer than at my house, but not as good as my 2006 Z4M which also had around 70k miles and all I ever had to do was replace alternator and maybe battery which was a standard battery and I did it myself. |
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