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05-03-2024, 04:59 PM | #111 | |
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Sadly, some day, BMW will probably go full FWD, as the profits over product mentality seems to have hit nearly every industry over the past 15 years or so. |
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05-03-2024, 05:54 PM | #112 |
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Exceedingly unlikely
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05-03-2024, 09:02 PM | #113 |
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every model on clar platform is compromised or from an engineering point of view unoptimized
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A 2018?! The fwd X1?! Really?! That definitely was not my experience. If you said a 2015 I wouldn’t doubt that.
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Nope.
The new M5 is the M550. That is the M550 is BMW's flagship family saloon GT. It is a family saloon and a Grand Tourer which is what the M5 is supposed to be. The M5 on the other hand, is a heavy, bulky beast with an identity crisis. You cannot carry the family in it, nor can you tour Europe or the US in it as it is extremely uncomfortable even in the Comfort setting, nor is it track capable, though it pretends to be, as any M3 will just kill it around the track. Still an awesome car, but it just doesn't belong in a category. I was always an M5 fan and started my M-career with an M5, I realy wanted to like the F90, I test drove it more than 6 times trying to convince myself that it's a good buy. It isn't. The M3 and the M550 make a lot more sense. I went with the M3 in the end as I prefer something nimble to something big that is space-ship fast. |
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05-04-2024, 03:49 PM | #116 |
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Just watch. Bit by bit.
Unless we have some kind of systemic sea change that allows interesting companies building high-quality products to build those interesting products without getting pushed out of the market. The same pattern has been going on for at least 15-20 years. High-quality SMEs (particularly in Europe [Germany and Italy, where many of the best are located]) are forced to first manufacture overseas before finally slowly degrading quality, reducting options, and ultimately offering more mass market-oriented products. In addition, design is dumbed down and blandness ensues. The United States is one of the worst places for this across industries--a country where nearly everything is a strip mall or McHouse subdivision, or products are reduced to the lowest common denominator. RWD is nearly a niche-product feature these days. BMW already has many FWD models, which is something once thought impossible. |
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For me, when it comes to the G30/F90 cars, the M550 is an odd duck. The cars have gotten quite large, yes, but they are only about 20 cm longer than an equivalent 3. The 5 series is pretty nimble for its size. The issue I have with the M550 is that you get the weight and nose-heaviness of the M5, but you don't get the full M suspension to deal with it. The 540 and M5 both work for me, but the 550 just seems an oddball car. With the 540, you have a lighter, more balanced car, but a somewhat more road-oriented suspension, and with the M5, you have extra weight and less balance, but a better suspension setup for sporty driving. With the 550, you get both the softer setup and the weight. |
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Let’s not overstate the facts. BMW has five fwd models. The 1 Series, 2 Series Gran Coupe (of which they sell very few), the X1, the X2, and the 2 Series Active Tourer.
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As for BMW, show us the global sales numbers for the FWD models. |
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05-06-2024, 08:30 PM | #120 |
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Yes, the F48! She bought it when my dad had his 2017 340i. I would bet my entire being that was the case. We had a turo 2017 330i w/thp recently and I drove them back to back - x1 steering had better weighting, and way more feedback. Guessing that's due to mini platform & systems. The x2m35i is shockingly fun too.
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By the way... has anyone driven a model 3?! I just drove one for the first time - standard range rwd. I couldn't believe how good it was. I would take it over a 330i any day of the week in terms of dynamics - loves to rotate, steering feel is great, nearly no understeer. I am still shocked.
Was disappointed to get one over an a4.. nope. It was truly incredible. |
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EVs will save RWD (and AWD) - you can see that most purpose designed EV platforms that are not AWD are RWD.
EVs simply have too much torque to work well on FWD without neutering the acceleration. There is also few, if any, packaging and weight/space savings advantages to go FWD on an EV. So, it is very unlikely that BMW and any other top OEM will end up with a purely or mostly FWD line up. You can thank EVs for that.
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I'll preface that I never drove a BMW (but have always been a fan and am looking now at E88 and E93), but based on reviews the thing that was lost in the F generations is the connection to the car, especially the steering feel. For that I have a favorite Jalopnik article that goes into great detail about steering feel in F and G generation BMWs. The best quote from there is:
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And to the point about BMW focusing more and more on the larger market and less on enthusiasts, I read a great quote from Ford (which sadly I could never find again) that they found that normal A-to-B drivers would in fact prefer steering feel in a car. These drivers can't explain why they like a car with steering feel better than a car without steering feel, and they wouldn't go out on a test drive looking for that, but it was a clear difference in how much they liked the car after a test drive. |
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I take back what I said in my original post about comparing the G21 steering feel to a Kia. I had a 2024 Sportage rental last week and holy @#$% that's some awful steering feel, the G21 was fine. Not as firm as my E90/E93 but looking back the G21 was not as bad as I thought.
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A current BMW I could get behind. I think the Z4s are very nice.
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Heck, Polestar switched the Polestar 2 from FWD to RWD for its single-motor as part of its mid-life update! |
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Agreed. Car is a beast.
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