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04-06-2010, 12:45 AM | #25 |
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I may be old fashioned, but I have little faith in all the weight-inducing gimmicky electronics. I may be proven wrong (like I was about the DCT), but I will reserve my judgement until I have a chance to take one out for a long test drive (my CA's better earn his commission! ). |
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"... Every car on the international launch had all of these systems fitted. The RHD 530d tested here has none. In the magazine version of this road test we try an active car back-to-back with the passive car, and recommend which systems are worth going for. Unfortunately the online format doesn’t give us such flexibility, but in short – go for the dampers, avoid the steering, and the roll-bars are a matter of preference. Hope this clears things up." http://www.autocar.co.uk/blogs/still...-the-same.aspx This sure is not clearing up the matter. |
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Give her a cushion to sit on
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NEWS FLASH
Autoweek (Dutch) has tested the 523i with standard suspension ... no adds whatsoever. IT IS GREAT !!!!!! http://f10.5post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=372793
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(not sure we can trust Autocar)
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I asked BMW UK to confirm a date for such a fix and they said "We have not yet received information on any revised/fixed suspension for non-VDC cars" which, I think, is code for yes there is a fix coming!
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@carl_d: strange, autoweek was very, very positive as in absolutely no negative points whatsoever on the suspension. I know those roads in the movie (near the Dutch dunes / beach Ijmuiden area), and they are not comfortable at all .. Great news ... Maybe the 'fix' is just for the UK market in respons to the ridiculous Autocar test. In the Netherlands I've heard no such thing (a "fix") ... greetz
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I've test driven two F10s 'back to back' and have to say the Autocar comments, so far, are making some sense. The standard car on 18" wheels is flawed. Based on the first test drive I wouldn't be ordering an F11 touring, as the run-flat tyres have too much influence on the steering and vibration back to the steering wheel, broken surfaces make the car fight for line and spoil the composure. Some weird sensations come back through the car on some surfaces. Cause a numbness and vague feel to the steering.
The second car had Dynamic Drive and was on 19" wheels, the car was much more composed even on the normal setting, steering more meaty and when switched to sport, the car was even more composed and settled. On poor or broken surfaces and twisty roads, the car was so much better than the standard car. No strange feedback or vagueness in the steering, even on normal setting. The next test car will have the whole Adaptive Drive package, as I need the car to drive with more poise on poor road surfaces, but sporty when on some decent roads. So very interested to see how VDC works with the active roll bars. To me, the run-flat shod wheels are still the issue here, and I'm to be convinced which size will work better on these cars, 18" don't work, IMO, the frequencies they generate, feed back in conflict with the suspension. Same as in the 3-series cars. I'm surprised the 19" wheels work better than 18". The dealer has tried 20" wheels and they completely spoil the ride, I'm informed. HighlandPete |
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Funny, there are now three threads running with the same topic ....
http://f10.5post.com/forums/showthre...=369498&page=3 http://f10.5post.com/forums/showthre...=367571&page=3 and this one ....
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Back to F10, seems the standard suspension is best suited to non-RFT on 17" wheels? I understand all 17" wheels have non-RFTs? BTW, VDC has been tuned for 18" RFT's and other wheel/tyres combinations will be a compromise! What I find interesting is that the M-Sport suspension (listed on bmw.de but not on the bmw.co.uk configurator) cannot be selected with any trick chassis option. The M-Sport set-up will likely also be tuned for 18" RFT wheels - this I hope will be the better sporting option for the UK without going to the extra cost of the extra chassis tricks. Wish BMW UK would stop messing around and release all the options so we can find the best one.
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We looked in I-drive and there were 3 setting levels. The one selected was the botton of the list, definitely had 'chassis' in the definition. I can't remember the exact list, but one was 'steering' on its own I believe. I was of the understanding it had more than just tightening up throttle response and steering, by the way the car was responding. But the pricing list doesn't seperate Dynamic Drive (the roll bar bit), from the VDC package. You can buy VDC on its own, but the Adaptive Drive package has both. Anyone know what is on that I-drive "Drive Dynamic Control" configuration? HighlandPete |
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Pete what engine options were you test drving?
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