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10-23-2010, 02:56 PM | #67 |
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I have the same setup, 18" on continentals and have experienced similar issues with the steering on motorways..... It seems incredibly camber sensitive so you have to apply more pressure on the left hand to counter UK motorways. Almost feels like the tracking is off, but get it on the flat and it seems fine. I'm getting some 17" winter wheels so it will be interesting to see if the steering is impacted on change over....
Just to add, it's not a major issue, and is only noticeable because the rest of the car is so luxurious and comfortable... Perfectly quiet, comfort seats, active cruise, etc, and then steering that isn't perfect... Last edited by archivedaccount; 10-23-2010 at 03:06 PM.. |
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10-24-2010, 03:17 AM | #68 | |
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Certainly interested in the winter tyre change... will it be a RFT set, or non RFT? HighlandPete |
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10-24-2010, 06:10 AM | #69 |
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Having driven the loan 523 M Sport (on 19") for a couple of days, I can say the difference is like night and day....it's a joy to drive compared to mine. I have an open ended loan, so I'm not sure how long mine is going to take to sort, but rest assured I will post here when I get it back.
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10-24-2010, 08:00 AM | #71 |
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Hi exoprotoss,
Sorry, as it's a loaner I don't know. You can select between normal, sport and sport plus, and from memory can choose chassis and transmission combinations. What I can say is it's definately more refined than the E60 M Sport that I had. N16E |
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10-24-2010, 08:38 AM | #72 |
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Thank you so much for your insights and feedback on this important issue with the F10. Does your loaner have a comfort setting? Please ask the dealership to enter the VIN into their software and this will pull up the options on the car. Please post that list of options here which will help us sort this out.
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10-24-2010, 09:01 AM | #73 | |
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To me this wheel size issue (if we can prove it) is not a new problem. E90/1 cars had similar problems, at least in the early days. 17" wheels seemed to show more issues with lack of straight line precision and vagueness, than running 18" wheel sets. Still believe wheels/tyres are part of the problem. HighlandPete |
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10-24-2010, 09:07 AM | #74 | |
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10-24-2010, 01:27 PM | #75 |
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I have a 528 on 18 inch run flats. The steering is pure rubbish. No real feeling of the road and unless the road is completely flat it wanders from left to right. It's been back to the dealer twice for update and it's become a little bit better. But no matter what, it is very sensitive to the road condition. Will be swapping to 19 or 20 inch rims without run flat tyres directly after the winter.
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10-25-2010, 09:08 AM | #76 | |
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If it was just me driving the car I would get non-RFT's and a puncture repair kit, but with the missus and kids using it frequently I'm going to stick with RFT's for winter tyres. That's assuming BMW ever get any in stock. PS MPG on the journey was 52, real word 51mpg after a brim to brim test. Its since dropped to 43mpg with purely urban driving. |
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10-25-2010, 09:15 AM | #77 |
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On 17inch runflats the steering is same as 19 non-RFs .. the car 'wanders' slightly sometimes when the road is uneven or sloped .. but nothing that I would complain about. My shallow guess is that its a function of the very weak return-to-center steering force, which would be a setting of this particular car that differs from previous bmws (a guess).
If the push-back on the steering is stronger, the car would go straight (minus any actual alignment issues) ... ? |
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10-25-2010, 09:21 AM | #78 |
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But this particular steering feel I guess is deliberate to make the f10 drive more luxuriously rather than sporty.. (minus the base suspension set-up, which differs in the front from the e60 by adopting the 7series set-up (based on the diagrams at realoem))
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10-25-2010, 10:11 AM | #79 | |
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10-25-2010, 10:59 AM | #80 |
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Imo some of these steering complaints are defects and quality control is weak. If I recall correctly, Jon also has posted that the F10 wanders (right and/or left I think) when going straight. This is certainly not acceptable.
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10-25-2010, 11:47 AM | #81 |
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OK, heres the update -
1 week, 1 steering rack, 1 160 mile test drive, 1 ZF engineer from Germany & 1 master BMW technician later my car is fixed...... When the BMW Technician intially drove my car he immediately told me he knew it wasn't right, and diagnosed it as the steering rack, thinking ahead they ordered one, last Friday the ZF engineer and Technician drove my car 160 miles hooked up to a laptop performing various tests, during the test drive the ZF engineer said the "forces" were within tolerance, however the BMW technician told him it wasn't right (he told me it made his arm hurt). The ZF engineer was reluctant to change the rack, but after some discussion (small argument) he agreed. When I quizzed the technician about what was wrong with the rack things became a little unclear, he did mention a "software issue", however this seems odd, they changed some hardware and it resolved a software issue...anyhow the rack is going back to ZF (this is not the normal practice) for further tests, and my case has been logged in PUMA (BMW knowledge database). If your steering feels odd at speed (it's really is horrid) then you may have a similar issue. Good work Rybrook BMW especially Ian (technician) |
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10-25-2010, 01:27 PM | #84 | |
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I do hope it turns out to be a faulty rack, once inspected at ZF, that could open up other users to solutions. If the interrogation is still reported as "in tolerance" we have troubles ahead, IMO. HighlandPete |
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11-07-2010, 03:56 AM | #85 |
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I have exactly the same as N16E in my 520d. If I am driving at 60+ mph, the higher the worse it gets, and there is adverse camber, or a bad road surface, or God forbid, strong wind, then I am constantly having to make small adjustments to keep the car straight. It is very annoying and on a long run fatiguing as the level of concentration has to be higher. I also wonder if it is damaging the tyres at a faster rate than normal driving.
I have been back to the dealer and the salesperson told me she had the same on her F10 and that you get used to it and don't even notice it after a while. I have done 2,000 miles and it is in fact less noticeable now, but it is still there. She had done 6,000. I am not sure if I should tell them it is unacceptable and get them to test it and try to fix it. What do you think. I think I will once the cup holders have been sorted out (see below). I think it is the electronic steering that is at fault; I think the steering is just too sensitive to changes in road conditions, this is exacerbated at higher speeds. Typically, I will be driving along minding my own business, listening to a certain Mr Grohl on the car's excellent, standard, audio system, and the there will be a dip on one side of the carriageway and I will have to make a small adjustment, not a huge problem you might think, but it is always there in the background and it diminishes the driving experience. I have had 20+ cars over the years and this has never been an issue before. Not even a hint of this. My car is a fairly standard auto set up with 17" RFTs. The only other two gripes I have are the extraordinarily internally-reflective windscreen, which in certain light conditions can be quite distracting and the fact that both my ashtray and cup holder lids have jammed shut. I think there is probably a coin stuck in each - this should not happen! Apart from these three things I love the car, but the first problem is so annoying (at the moment) that I wish I had bought another Merc or the previous generation of 5 series. I think it going to have to go in. I would be interested to hear what other people say and their updates. Thanks if you got this far! DNA Last edited by DNA_42; 11-07-2010 at 04:03 AM.. Reason: I missed out an apostrophe and I was embarrassed that you'd think me illiterate. |
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11-09-2010, 04:36 AM | #86 |
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Hi,
I have the same problem and contacted my dealer about this several times. I made a test drive in an other car but that was even worse. Now they have made an appointment to modify the mounting of the front shockabsorbers. According to them these absorbers are not mounted as they should be. See what comes out of this. |
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11-09-2010, 07:12 AM | #87 | |
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This demonstrates part of the problem for steering design for BMW lately. If you rely on instrumernts and ignore "feel", you can end up with things that get good ratings on instruments that can still feel lousy to human beings.
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11-09-2010, 07:35 AM | #88 |
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Great news for the F30 and potentially great news for US. Hopefully BMW will offer hydraulic steering ASAP on the F10 which is probably years away.
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