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2010 2011 BMW 5 Series Forum F10 528i to become turbocharged 4-cylinder instead of NA 6-cyl...this summer! |
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01-17-2011, 02:51 PM | #23 |
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Only the 528i might go to the U.S and the 535d , it is very hard to convince the U.S buyers to drive a 4 cylinder premium vehicle no matter how much boosted the turbo or power is ..haven't you heard ? There ain't no gun with four bullets
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01-18-2011, 10:23 AM | #24 | |
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great info! This makes a lot of sense.. when was the last time there was a 520i? I think it completes the petrol lineup, puts greater distance between the 523i and 528i.. just like the e60 final lineup with 523i/530i/540i/550i Although its a 'small' engine I think buyers will accept it, esp if they test drive it as the 520i should be no less powerful than the 523i in normal driving - although the bhp is lower, the torque should be the same and available at much lower rpm, thus giving the feeling of much more power. The transformation for the 528i would be quite profound, it goes from high revving/low torque to higher torque/low revving. There will be an improvement in normal driving in that it will feel less sluggish, but with the loss of the 'going crazy' fun. |
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01-18-2011, 10:25 AM | #25 |
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True. They'll never give us anything sensible. Instead we get a ridiculous, gas-guzzling V8 with a stick, which no one anywhere else in the world would even think of buying, while the company's flagship product, the NA 6 coupled with a manual transmission, is withheld. And the only diesel will surely be the ridiculously expensive, inefficient, AT-only 35d. Ugh.
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01-18-2011, 10:25 AM | #26 |
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Driving a 528i now as a loaner and it's underpowered.
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01-18-2011, 10:28 AM | #27 |
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Will they stick to the N52 or switch to the N53 (with DI)? If euro switches from the N53 to the 2.0T what will they do with the N53 capacity? Since right now the rest of the world is still on N52.. Will the rest of the world jump from N52 straight to the 2.0T?
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01-18-2011, 10:35 AM | #28 | |
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(Its still socially acceptable here in the third world..) Here's something more ridiculous: the last 2yrs of the e60 here in HK got the N53 engine, but the new f10 gets the N52 Oh what the hey, just never let me drive the N53 and find out its better |
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X1 xDrive28i 245 bhp so awesome |
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01-19-2011, 09:59 AM | #30 | |
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damn, now my N52 is out of date already.. 350nm vs 310nm is a big improvement, its too close the n55's 400nm! The change from N52/3 to the 2.0t makes the X1 faster 0-100 from 6.8 to 6.1.. (given its 9% lighter with awd).. if the same engine specs is put into the 5, the 528 would drop from 6.7 to 6.3.. compared to the stated 6.1 for the 535i how are they going to do this from a marketing perspective? decrease the specs for the 2.0t on the 528i, or up the 535i at 307bhp 400nm? max hp for the new 2.0t is @5000rpm vs 6600rpm for the N52/3 .. say hello to audi-like power delivery (I've sat in one of those audi 2.0t and I have to say im not a fan!.. i get sick recalling it. great if u like to put it to other drivers though) |
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01-19-2011, 11:11 AM | #31 |
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01-20-2011, 09:00 PM | #32 |
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Had been planning to do ED on an '11 528i but the wife got cold feet (her car) and wanted to wait for the '12 and for them to work out the bugs first. DOESN'T WANT a 4-cylinder and not a turbo either, with all the HPFP issues. What to do what to do. ED isn't gonna happen now - too late and already have plans for the summer booked. Maybe just suck it up and buy one off the lot at higher prices? Might be what we end up doing.
If these ridiculous displacement taxes on anything over 2.0L is what's driving BMW to sell a turbo-4 and replace a 3.0L NA I6 then I can totally understand that, but that isn't the case here in the U.S! I personally have no interest shelling out close to $50k for a stinking Inline-4 engine, the most unrefined and nasty sounding and feeling engine configuration in the world, when BMW's trademark for decades has been their sweet sounding and feeling and free revving naturally aspirated Inline-6 engines. A freaking 4-banger? In a 5-series??? No way.... Wasn't crazy about the 535i either - way too much power to enjoy where we live, to the point of being annoying. The 528i with the N52B30 was absolutely perfect, and now it's going away.
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01-21-2011, 08:06 AM | #33 | |
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Don't get me wrong, I currently drive, and love so much, a 6NA engine, but the 4turbo will bge fine, and ultimately for everyday driving it will behave better...and save you quite a lot of money...and save this world from an awful lot of emissions (and not just CO2, but also of 'human-harming' pollution)... As a uni teacher, specialist in combustion engines, used to tell me regarding engines, "We actually use very little power of the engine while (everyday/real) driving, but we, and when I say we I include myself, love to show off and be better than our neighbour. Silly as we are shooting ourselves in the shoes, Oh humans..." Seems americans have so much to learn, so old-fashioned... PD: Before that 6NA I drove a 4NA from BMW too, and it was actually very good -perhaps not as good as the 6NA, but the addition of turbo and all the features (Valvetronic, Vanos, DI, etc etc) will make up for the difference, and even overcome it Last edited by J-Raid; 01-21-2011 at 08:12 AM.. |
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When you say "behaving better", that's highly subjective and very much tied in with your own personal driving preferences. A turbo-4 will drive a whole lot differently than a 6NA, and it will also sound and feel a whole lot different than a 6NA, and not for the better on that last part I'm afraid. BMW isn't immune to the laws of physics. I like how the 6NAs drive, will possibly own a BMW long term and don't want to have to deal with the headaches of maintaining a turbo long-term. And it's not as if BMW's new turbo engines exactly have a stellar reliability record. Look at all the HPFP failures on the N54. NA engines are more simple and more reliable. Quote:
On paper perhaps, but in its driving character not at all. If you strongly prefer the driving character and sound and feel and smoothness of a 6NA engine, than a turbo-4 is not at all going to be a substitute. The E60 F10 was going to be our first BMW at long last, and we both wanted the 6NA for which BMW has been known and praised for nearly 30 years here in the U.S. Some new 4-banger isn't in the cards but I'm sure it'll sell well elsewhere.
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