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the only real way to enjoy this chassis is going way too fast around windy canyon roads. (as long as the turns are not tighter low speed stuff, this thing feels light, very agile for its size predictable oversteer under throttle, absolutley minimal body roll it's excellent... for people who live near lots of windy one lane roads or have a huge highway commute this thing is a beauty. tight, low speed right turns always result in understeer unless you set up the corner properly and power out, but as soon as you hit a corner going 80+km/h there is absolutely not a hint understeer. you have to be quite seriously breaking the law to get the most out of this chassis which is off-putting for many drivers. this car is an absolute peach with RWD by the way - I suggest always skipping xDrive if you can. my first snow season with this rear drive 5 series I will never forget. it was capable - more stable then 4wd trucks and pulled off spectacular drifts. stopped and cornered through snow predictably and like a champ. for the record, the F10 gets alot more hate then it should in terms of steering. I know the f30 for instance may have lighter steering, but my early model f10 is just as heavy as your average hydrualic steering and there is feel. think of it as the e90 steering but less feel and less direct due to the soft suspension. this cars chassis has the potential to handle excellent if you ditch the soft suspension - good weight distribution, hefty but capable chassis, aluminum suspension components.. I didnt like how bulky and sloppy the car felt when I first got it. but when you keep this car within it's limits, enjoying the smooth refined chassis (like a mercedes) It's quite a wonderful and floats pefectly. if those low speed corners are important, this isnt the car for you. Last edited by STR8-6IX; 05-05-2017 at 10:38 PM.. |
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another thing is there's a lot of people who never felt what it feels like to break the back end loose or drift a bit so when they feel the car slide they panick and pull back or maybe they don't push their car as hard as they think they do? so i always believed in that saying when they compare who will win...the professional driver driving a slow car or an in-experienced driver driving a fast car
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I have a 535i 6MT base model car, I thought the handling on this car in it's stock form was appalling. It crashed over every bump, the body roll was excessive, and any turn had the nose diving to the outside of the corner. I ditched the runflat tires, I replaced the shocks/struts with Koni FSD units, and M5/M650D sway bars front and rear. The car corners a lot flatter now, and handles much better, but it is still miles behind my e46 330i ZHP (which is admittedly much lighter and has a little more tire). The biggest remaining drawback is electric steering is so vague, and there is no way to fix that.
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in all honesty, switching to non RFT tires did not make such a huge difference like everyone makes it seem, but it 100% helped. steering lost a tad of sharpness due to the stiff sidewall. low profile tires dont make the ride as bad as one may think for having so little tire on the rim, but they certainly do not help one bit. I gotta drive slowly and avoid garbage toronto potholes now. |
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Certainly not my experience to be a less balanced chassis in slower turns, with my F11 chassis. Shows how there is a wide range of experience and opinion across the F10 range. Then this is expected as we are often not comparing apples with apples, then there is driver expectation, different driving environments, etc. This applies to the steering as well, not all models and specifications does the steering feel the same. I recall the same applying to most model ranges, specification makes a vast difference to how a car drives. We are seeing it with the latest G30 models as well. One thing I always keep in mind, BMW cars are designed to still retain superb dynamics at speed and while loaded. Many cars fall apart in those conditions, but it can mean there is often some compromise at lower speeds and when running 'driver only'. I don't think many enthusiasts on forums are too concerned with running a loaded car, more likely judged with just the driver. When I had my E39 540i, I remember taking a friend out for the first time, he expected a more refined ride, driving along at 50 - 60mph. Yes it was good, but add some speed and feel it hunker down, you knew the car was capable of so much more than UK legal speeds could ever test it. Even loaded with four adults and luggage, the dynamics were superb. For me, the F10/F11 with the active suspensions widen the working envelope, over and above something with a passive suspension. So we can have the better low speed capability and the high speed and loaded abilities, far less compromise. |
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My 2001 530 and 2006 X5 were more nimble and surefooted..
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as long as I don't push the car too hard into 30-40KM/H turns it is a fun to drive car and I enjoy it a lot. |
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Since I got some recent seat time with my old E60 last week, the F10 definitely feels heavier. It is a 525i vs 550i so there is that factor.
As to whether I like my F10? I feel like the 704s are adequate for my driving nowadays. Maybe that's age creeping in. I don't have the opportunity for many twisties in a city, let alone driving them at any discernible speed to appreciate the handling at even 7/10. I like the highway brutality and the occasional squirt to make a light, but still make a turn in my 550i. The bolsters are what disappoints me more than the suspension. I'm in a loaner 320i for a few more days and it's nimble for sure, but the seats are very huggy. I say the 550 delivers on what I wanted it for. Luxury Sports Sedan... in that order. I'm not one for contriving to turn a large Sedan into a DTM or sports car... im eyeing some E46 M3 coupes or maybe even a 996 GT3 to have unadulterated fun and juvenile modding to.
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You're right, it's not a fair comparison at all, so, why do it? Last edited by Bbb34; 05-09-2017 at 10:27 AM.. |
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I have the 704m suspension and it's just okay stock. The handling was transformed with high performance 20" rims and tires and m5 sway bars. Handles like a BMW should now.
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I bet the sway bars especially made a big difference...If I wasn't leasing, I'd be doing some modding just like that.
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@ Everyone on this thread, this guy has no idea what he's talking about, just an FYI.
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Everyone has to start from somewhere, let's provide constructive feedback rather than condescend.
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You have no idea. Over on the E90 forums he makes countless threads and posts very inaccurate information and won't stop. People need to know.
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again... performance sway bars go AFTER coilovers. I'll wait for someone else who actually knows about suspension to back this one up. |
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sway bars even on stock suspension will help with body roll but effect is maximized with higher spring rates offered on lowering springs or coilovers it is not mandatory combo nor do step 1 then step 2 type of deal |
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Remember all the other times you got all up in arms at me because you think you're right then it always turns out you're wrong and I'm right? Do you also think stiffest is the fastest?
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Keep in mind this is coming from the guy who didn't know his valve cover gasket and head gasket were different things. And who also didn't know the different between lowering springs w/ shocks versus coilovers. I understand he is trying to learn and that's great, but he needs to stop spreading false information. I help people all the time on here, all from knowledge gained from personal experience.
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