[sequal]

Originally Posted by grimlock

I am actually not in favor of the car I own. I can hardly feel its shortcomings (torque).. its like everyday is a cold, damp morning you have to give it a kick in the pants and it still crawls back under the covers. And the engine efficiency works against it, it takes 15minutes+ to get to working temperature, which given Hong Kong distances, me means I'm always driving around a car that is still half sleeping

wow, my car performs fine. I haven't really experience much of a lag due to temperature or weather. I am sure if its really cold like Most Cars need to warm up to be at optimum performance. If anything your car should perform better in colder weather. Have you drove the 535i?

[grimlock]

Originally Posted by sequal

wow, my car performs fine. I haven't really experience much of a lag due to temperature or weather. I am sure if its really cold like Most Cars need to warm up to be at optimum performance. If anything your car should perform better in colder weather. Have you drove the 535i?

I was exaggerating a bit.. its fine. I just dont want to bring it much past 2k rpm on a cold engine.. with the turbo engines u already get max torque there, but not with the NAs, I havent drove any other f10 model, so Im just commenting on my own car, and conjecturing on the others

[grimlock]

NAs = love open mountain roads, hate traffic lights
turbos =love beating other ppl at the lights, not so much fun when you're by yourself

[sequal]

haha I would love to throw in a super charger tho haha

[grimlock]

it sounds a little funny though ..

[bimmerfrei]

Originally Posted by grimlock

NAs = love open mountain roads, hate traffic lights
turbos =love beating other ppl at the lights, not so much fun when you're by yourself

That's interesting. I moved from a 335d to a 528i and was expecting to loose a lot of power. Overall the 335d feels more powerful but from a red light I'm not so sure. Put the 528 in Sport+ and it takes off like a rocket. I was really surprised the first time I really let the 528 loose.

[grimlock]

Originally Posted by bimmerfrei

That's interesting. I moved from a 335d to a 528i and was expecting to loose a lot of power. Overall the 335d feels more powerful but from a red light I'm not so sure. Put the 528 in Sport+ and it takes off like a rocket. I was really surprised the first time I really let the 528 loose.

Perhaps I don't like the bit going from 670 idling to 2600rpm .. but thats when its one just normal transmission mode
On sport(+) for transmission, it idles at 2000 which makes the journey up less torturous ... but perhaps im being too cautious

Have you or anyone else noticed the throttle opening up when its in sport+ above 4000rpm? It happened once and caught me by surprise .. i haven't tried to replicate it yet

So you don't miss your 335d?

[grimlock]

I get taken at the lights by everyone from taxis, minivans, scooters ... the only ppl who are left standing are those who are admiring the f10's looks

[sequal]

Originally Posted by grimlock

I get taken at the lights by everyone from taxis, minivans, scooters ... the only ppl who are left standing are those who are admiring the f10's looks

Thats impossible. I blow people away all the time.

[grimlock]

Originally Posted by sequal

Thats impossible. I blow people away all the time.

Ok, its not a fair comparison if you've seen our taxi drivers, minivan drivers, scooter drivers ..maybe I'm the only normal driver

but once you get some speed, you have supreme confidence in the engine+transmission .. it punches above its weight for sure

[bimmerfrei]

Originally Posted by grimlock

Perhaps I don't like the bit going from 670 idling to 2600rpm .. but thats when its one just normal transmission mode
On sport(+) for transmission, it idles at 2000 which makes the journey up less torturous ... but perhaps im being too cautious

Have you or anyone else noticed the throttle opening up when its in sport+ above 4000rpm? It happened once and caught me by surprise .. i haven't tried to replicate it yet

So you don't miss your 335d?

I'm not sure I'm following you. I want my car to go from idle to 7000 rpms as soon as possible. What's supposed to happen at 2600 rpms? Also, do you mean that your car idles at 2000? Sounds strange to say the least. I just switch to Sport+ and put the pedal to the metal when the light switches.

About the throttle opening up in Sport+. Sure, the engine respons is much faster and much more like a sports car. However, I can't say that anything special happens at 4000 rpms. When I drive in Sport+ the throttle is wide open pretty much all the time but that's because of me and not the engine.

The 335d is badly missed. The power in that diesel engine is just amazing. I believe I will be switching back to the 3 series when the new model comes out in 2012. Let's hope for a 340d with, eh, 360 hp and 0-60 in less than 5 seconds. Mmmm,

[grimlock]

Originally Posted by bimmerfrei

I'm not sure I'm following you. I want my car to go from idle to 7000 rpms as soon as possible. What's supposed to happen at 2600 rpms? Also, do you mean that your car idles at 2000? Sounds strange to say the least. I just switch to Sport+ and put the pedal to the metal when the light switches.

About the throttle opening up in Sport+. Sure, the engine respons is much faster and much more like a sports car. However, I can't say that anything special happens at 4000 rpms. When I drive in Sport+ the throttle is wide open pretty much all the time but that's because of me and not the engine.

The 335d is badly missed. The power in that diesel engine is just amazing. I believe I will be switching back to the 3 series when the new model comes out in 2012. Let's hope for a 340d with, eh, 360 hp and 0-60 in less than 5 seconds. Mmmm,

I just get a little uneasy watching the needle pop up from idling through 3k,4k .. all the way up without changing, i guess im just not used to it yet
nothing at 2600rpm, just its torque peak .. so it drives best between this and its HP peak @6600 ... is this right?
I found the car idles at 2000 when the transmission is on sport+ mode.. if just normal its at ~670
I guess you too busy driving it to notice where it idles, but im sitting in traffic all the time
I still havent taken it above 4500 .. cuz im stuck at 1500km and ive had the damn thing for 2months

eh.. 340d .. yeah sure. my dream engine is 4300ccNA on the f10 .. priced 2/3 of the way between 535 and 550i .. lets still call it a 540i to give the 550i some room. 364 bhp 400nm 0-100 5.6s .. we can all dream cant we?
if they made your 340d bmw would not be able to sell any other models

[WULFFZA]

From an unbiased E60 545i driver, I drove my first F10 today, a 528i auto, sport package.

I agree with just about everything commonly said about the F10 - Its a big luxury car, the steering is light, disconnected from the road compared to the E60 etc etc.
I thoroughly enjoyed the drive. It did feel more wallowy than my E60, it feels big and not quite as nimble, but it goes around corners just as confidently and I think I prefer the fact that its suspension is more compliant and it can soak up bumps without transmitting shock through the steering and feeling every undulation and pebble in the road. It didnt have dynamic suspension and I imagine that that would give it more edge when you want it.

I intentionally wanted my first F10 drive to be a 528i to see if I would be happy with the reduction in power and not feel short changed or feel like the lack of power spoilt the overall experience. Happy to say, not at all.

It does have a more luxurious, supple feel than my E60, not as edgy and precise and obviously not as much punch in the low and midrange as my 545, but if you want to go, just floor it and hold, its acceleration is as brisk as any car has right to be to be on the street. I punched it once while turning right and it broke traction briefly then flung the rev counter to 7,000rpm quicker than I could look down to watch it. Its hard to call this car 'base' (in the USA), its a very nice package. When the 545i breaks traction the traction control has to intervene so much you feel like the engine has been killed before it comes back to life which can make or break taking a chance when crossing traffic etc. In the 528i, its just a momentary scrabble and you're off.

Some commentary has been made about fuel consumption, I too would like a 30mpg+ car, not only because I dont like paying for more gas, but because I'd like to go more than 4days without having to refuel during my normal commute.

I plan to drive a 535i next, and I hope it feels nothing like the 335i and 135i in powe delivery. I drove a 135i MSport vert with DCT after the 528i. What a horrible vehicle.... Perhaps there is a demographic that wants a $50k car that goes like the clappers but is as noisy and rough to drive as a slammed civic on dubs, but I am not it. It has alot of power yes, but its not fluid. Non-linear power delivery spoilt the the cars composure. Even when dropping gears with the paddles to get the revs up there is a delayed response on throttle input, almost a second goes by before it responds... I couldnt live with that car. The noisy the engine makes is not acceptable for a luxury brand. I know this is intentionally tuned in, but to me it sounds like half the manifold bolts are loose, no thanks.

I love my 5, and when the F10s roll off lease, I will likely get one. The 5 is a beautiful combination of a sporting dynamic drive and a 4door luxury car. It just feels right, looks right and I feel special everytime I drive it!

[cp888]

I am thinking on trading my 2008 528i for a new 2011, is it a good idea ? or there is not much difference ?

[LuvMyE92]

Originally Posted by cp888

I am thinking on trading my 2008 528i for a new 2011, is it a good idea ? or there is not much difference ?

Read the review right above your post. There is a significant difference. Whether or not you like it is a different story.

I noticed that no one in this thread mentioned that you can't get a manual transmission in the 528 in the USA, so for that reason it was never a consideration for some folks...

I've also noticed that the residuals on smaller engined BMW cars are better (%-wise) than on the larger car. 328 vs. 335. 528 vs. 535 vs. 550. Not sure why this is, other than maybe the second and third owners who are more fiscally prudent (which is why they are buying used instead of new) want something with better gas mileage.

[SteVTEC]

Test drove the F10 528i and 535i back to back with no salesman aboard last fall and was thoroughly impressed by the 528i. Agree with WULFFZA - it's as fast as any car has a right to be on public raods. If you're going any faster than that, you're driving like an idiot, or ought to be on a closed race track. Published 0-60 specs and reviews weren't even out for the car yet, but it felt about like 0-60 in the mid-6 range and that's what it's been tested at now.

Next up was the 535i. Faster? Yes. But unfortunately I just didn't feel like it was "blow me away" thrill ride fast as many have made the car out to be. I think to get to that level in a 4000+ car for me, you need to be talking about at least 400hp and not 300, so "thrillingly" fast for me would definitely be the 550i (not driven, and don't plan to) and not the 535i. So on one hand and unlike the 528i, the 535i is more power than I can really enjoy on a day to day basis and would be frustrating for me to drive when I can't really enjoy the power, and on the other hand when I did put my foot down it wasn't really enough to thrill me.

So for me the choice is the 528i. It has just the right amount of power. Since it's not really possible for me to enjoy a ton of power where I live it'd be more fun winding the engine out a bit, and it also sounded better (and louder) than the 535i which was unbelievably quiet and muted. Felt a bit more crisp as well, and I liked the shorter gearing. Start off in DS and punch it, and you're above 2600rpm instantaneously since it's starting off in 1st gear rather than 2nd like I think it normally does in the regular D mode. Its level of performance in the U.S. puts it on par with the previous E60 530i despite having 15hp less. It has 10 lb-ft more torque than the old 530i and 2 more gears, which apparently makes up the weight difference.

If I lived in a more rural area where it was possible to open a car up a little bit without constantly fearing speed cameras, cops, traffic, pedestrians, etc, I'd probably want to go with at least the 535i. It's a shame they're getting rid of the NA I6 engine.