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2010 2011 BMW 5 Series Forum F10 Just Venting: why can't I get a real oil dipstick on any BMW |
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06-27-2011, 10:12 PM | #23 | |
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04-07-2012, 07:15 AM | #24 | |
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http://www.audizine.com/forum/showth...k-for-their-S5 While no dipstick is a pain in the ass, it applies to my wife's car, and I don't change the oil on the F10. The run flats is another problem. It came with Goodyears, one of which bubbled, and pulling to the right from the steering programming. I don't care to drag around a spare like I did with my E92 for 45k miles. Next purchase for me will be a 2013 S5.
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04-07-2012, 08:18 AM | #25 | |
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The traditional dipstick is a bit flawed, since some people do check their oil when the car is cold (so they don’t burn themselves). However, oil does expand with heat and tiny bubbles generated from running the car. With your traditional way and checking it cold, if it shows “full,” it’s likely overfilled once the oil reaches operating temperature. I understand you’re anal, but not buying a car because it has a digital dipstick instead of the traditional one is outrageous. That’s like saying you prefer a car w/o tracking control or ABS, because you would rather be in control. You forget that a 5 series is a luxury sedan, and not having to pull out a rag and grease up your hands to check the oil should be standard for a refined car. BMW sets the trend, then others will follow (i.e. iDrive and RFTs). My oil level stays at ideal between oil changes, so I don’t even bother checking it anymore. The only model that you would need to check frequently and have to top it off between changes, is the 550i (and passively M5). Those engines are thirsty. |
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04-07-2012, 11:04 AM | #26 |
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Since my previous post in this thread I've experienced an oil level sensor failure.
It had always displayed the level in green and almost at the full mark, which was physically echoed by the level on the dipstick - something I check weekly at the very least. Suddenly it changed to yellow and indicated that the system was overfull; naturally I checked the dipstick and, suspecting all manner of problems such as fuel dilution, convinced myself that the dipstick was also over reading (it is extremely sensitive to the slightest variation in ground level). Anyway, it turned out to be a faulty sensor which was replaced under warranty, but it left me feeling even more relieved to have a proper dipstick. |
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04-07-2012, 07:32 PM | #27 |
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Failures must be a little unusual. I would guess that for every problem with the electronic system, there are at least three with the traditional dipstick (failure to check, checking the wrong fluid, checking the fluid wrong, stuck, broken or missing dipstick, etc.). From the point of view of the manufacturer, the service organization, and the owner who primarily wants to drive, it's no contest.
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04-08-2012, 10:07 PM | #28 | |
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04-09-2012, 03:14 AM | #29 | |
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If you're happy with the electronic system alone, then that's your prerogative and I wouldn't begin to persuade you otherwise. |
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04-09-2012, 08:22 AM | #30 |
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just had a warning on adding 1 qt of oil ASAP from the screen @ 6000 miles. It was showing "min". funny how right after the qt it was at MAX. i wonder what the range is on how the computer measures....
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04-09-2012, 09:50 AM | #31 | |
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04-10-2012, 12:49 AM | #32 | |
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I think the OP does not suffer from anxiety problems but working on the car brings back the memory of his grandpa which he enjoys more then anything. At first when the dipstick on the E60 disappear, I feel like how would I check the oil from now on. But after going dip stick-less for a few years since the E60, I now don't bother to check the oil level on any car that I drive (I was so anal before that I even check the oil level on a rental car). Since the E60, I just shift my focus to driving and feeling what the car is telling me instead of poping the hood at every chance that I got and to be honest, I feel that I am enjoying my car more then before.
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04-10-2012, 10:33 AM | #33 |
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This is ridiculous.
You get an advanced car with all kinds of technology and the lack of dipstick is a deal breaker? The dipstick should have been gone two decades ago. Good thing we have some progress. This thread has to be a bad attempt at trolling. |
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04-18-2012, 01:06 AM | #34 | |
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08-08-2016, 09:05 AM | #35 |
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What's the reason that they removed the oilstick? just a money issue to save costs or something else?
I change oil myself between official services and there's alot of more trouble when you don't have a stick to your disposal as you fill oil and want to check the level, however you can't measure the oil level when the engine has been off for maybe an hour as it needs to reach a certain degree level before it allows you to measure, it adds time of course to the whole oil change process. |
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08-08-2016, 10:13 AM | #36 | |
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Also, by the crank case striking the oil, it could cause unnecessary drag in the engine as well. I've done this by accident in my youth..... the track is not the place to find out, but better than the highway!! Last edited by krautmeister; 08-08-2016 at 10:21 AM.. |
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08-09-2016, 05:45 PM | #37 |
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Now why would you need one don't your car tell you how much oil you have.
I guess you like going back in time get Chevy Malibu from what i hear they come with dip stick might as well get Nokia phone |
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08-09-2016, 06:22 PM | #38 | |
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I want to see how much oil I have, not have a computer tell me how much oil it thinks is there... |
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08-10-2016, 11:26 AM | #40 | |
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I've read one technical reason, the need to get a good physical seal for the dipstick due to tighter emission controls. May appear like a lame excuse, but one less hole/issue to address for leaking vapour to the atmosphere. |
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08-10-2016, 11:54 AM | #41 |
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Not to exacerbate this topic, but I think OP topic is more around a distrust of a digital sensor that may or may not malfunction and when a digital sensor as critical as oil level is not reporting the correct "news", the analog mechanical aluminum and steel bits rotating quite fast can fail.
My post on overfilling dangers (frothing) is real and that condition will lead to the sensor asking to add more oil, then you add more oil, further complicating the situation. Now, yes if you are sitting on the marketing team in Munich and you're doing a consumer study... Yes a digital gauge makes all the sense in the world when you are vertically integrated and drive the consumer back to your dealership for higher margin service. The dealership trips condition the prototypical luxury consumer to either continue to go to the dealer or have an opportunity for a new sale to another car.
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As a previous e38 owner who had to replace the dvd nav drive a few times , I agree with the op. I have no trust in the electronics and I can say something related to the I drive system or sensor will go out at some point.with the e38 it wasn't a proble since it didn't affect oil checking , but I can see it being an issue in the future when these cars are being bought by cheaper owners.
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From what I understand when I had my E60 the reason there is no dipstick is because the oil pan is baffled to control the oil while performance driving. There are multiple sumps and a dipstick would only check one sump. The reason it takes so long to make a measurement when you tell it to is its waiting for the auxiliary pumps to pump all the oil into the main sump. That's why the car has to be still, level, and the engine running while the measurement is taking place.
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