[matt44228]

Originally Posted by kc1953

I gave my son my 1994 740i. He seems happy enough with that.

hey its still a bmw lol better than the honda civics or vw most of the kids are driving.

[Aeroav8r]

I want to like the A6, but the interior switchgear feels to cheap, the buttons and knobs are to small for my hands and layout is too helter skelter. I need a cohesive interior layout, thus my purchase of a 5 series - E350 and A6 were shopped but didn't have it.

[The X Men]

Originally Posted by matt44228

It is a perfect balance of luxury and speed thats what I like about it (and im only 19) and I think the 5 series stands out moree than the a6. Iv turned more heads with the 535 than a buddy of mine with his a7.

Not sure about where you are, but where I live, there are so many BMW that nobody looks at them anymore

[matt44228]

Originally Posted by The X Men

Not sure about where you are, but where I live, there are so many BMW that nobody looks at them anymore

I know same here, but when you pull out and drive around in a brand new 5 series its definitely going to draw some attention. ( The 5 series aren't as common yet so thats why people still look, as opposed to the 3 series that I see on every corner. Or the last generation 5 series)

[The X Men]

Originally Posted by matt44228

It is a perfect balance of luxury and speed thats what I like about it (and im only 19) and I think the 5 series stands out moree than the a6. Iv turned more heads with the 535 than a buddy of mine with his a7.

Does your buddy's A7 have the prestige package? The body kit in the prestige package makes the A7 look much better. Your buddy is a lucky man, the A7 is as nice looking of car as they come. The sport back design and the lines are almost perfect. I wanted a A7 when I was looking for a car last year, but couldnt justify the extra $8000 over the A6. The 5 series is a nice looking car as well, but it looks too much like the F30. I was standing next to a F10 at the dealer last weekend and thought it was a F30.
I can tell you one thing, if I do end up buying the 535xi, it will not be for the looks. I think the A5, A6 and A7 are tops in that department. The reason I am considering the 5 series is the quieter ride and more solid feel.

[matt44228]

Originally Posted by The X Men

Does your buddy's A7 have the prestige package? The body kit in the prestige package makes the A7 look much better. Your buddy is a lucky man, the A7 is as nice looking of car as they come. The sport back design and the lines are almost perfect. I wanted a A7 when I was looking for a car last year, but couldnt justify the extra $8000 over the A6. The 5 series is a nice looking car as well, but it looks too much like the F30. I was standing next to a F10 at the dealer last weekend and thought it was a F30.
I can tell you one thing, if I do end up buying the 535xi, it will not be for the looks. I think the A5, A6 and A7 are tops in that department. The reason I am considering the 5 series is the quieter ride and more solid feel.

I think he does cause it has the s line bodkit and bose sound system. The onlything I don't like about the a7 is the back of the car, can't really get used to it. Its nice don't get me wrong but not really my style. And all the bmws look alike now 3,5,6,7. 3 series has some baby features of the 5. The front is much smaller. The 5 is just alittle smaller than the 7, basically the same thing just more room and the 7 is bulkier. The 6 is like a 5 series but 2 door, very similar. But I still like the new generation bmws more than the old one.

[The X Men]

Originally Posted by matt44228

I think he does cause it has the s line bodkit and bose sound system. The onlything I don't like about the a7 is the back of the car, can't really get used to it. Its nice don't get me wrong but not really my style. And all the bmws look alike now 3,5,6,7. 3 series has some baby features of the 5. The front is much smaller. The 5 is just alittle smaller than the 7, basically the same thing just more room and the 7 is bulkier. The 6 is like a 5 series but 2 door, very similar. But I still like the new generation bmws more than the old one.

Most definitely, the last gen 5 series was butt ugly, or should I say bangle ugly. I didnt even bother looking at the last gen 5 series, but the F10 peaks my interest.
Its funny that the BMW fanboys use to make fun of Audi because all their cars look alike and now, all the BMWs look alike and all of a sudden, there is no more talk of Audi looking alike
The A7 is almost like the 535 GT and the MB CLS, fast back, sport back, hatch back, what ever you want to call them. They are very attractive cars, but not for everyone I guess.

[matt44228]

yeah lol i would choose the cls over the a7 any day though =]

[Rbembas_M3]

Originally Posted by The X Men

I agree, I am in the mid 40s and starting to think more luxury than performance, the 5 series has a very nice balance of the two. The A6 sort of draw too much attention for my liking, kids wanting to race me at every red light. If BMW is for middle age guys, then Mercedes must be for senior citizens I test drove a 2012 E350 sport a few weeks back, its much improved, but its still no BMW or Audi.

I concur with you i just hit the big 50 but still feel like i'm much younger. I enjoy the luxury of my 535i and the sportiness when i need it. I test drove a 2009 M5 and almost bought it, until i saw my beautiful graphite metallic 6-speed manual and my fiacee also pointed out to me warranty. Deep down i new that if i was driving the M5 everyday in Atlanta traffice i'd be in jail for speeding... but let me just say i also need to be careful with my 535i... banging second gear you look down and wow doing 80 mph in a 45 zone

[ld757]

Simple solution. Intall burger tune and beat any A6. Totally removes lug. Much more fun to drive.

[Alan l.]

I don't find the f10 looking like a f30 one bit. It's a much bigger car and has much more road presence than any 3 series has.

Alan

[billdewberry]

wHAT THEY FAIL TO MENTION IS: iTS AN AUDI 4.2 QAUTTRO THEY SHOULD BRING THAT VW TO THE TRACK AGAINST MY 550i

[hinckley]

I bought my first BMW in 1985 and had five 5ers in a row. So there's no bigger BMW fan than me - but I just traded my 08 550 for a 12 S4. I'm amazed (and disappointed) that there's even a question of whether BMW or Audi is more sporty.

For you guys that talk up BMW for BMW's sake - it's time to hit the reset button. I'm the poster child for the direction that BMW and Audi have taken and I'm really hoping BMW remembers guys like me who place "sport" above "luxury". btw, I still have a deposit on an M5, so who knows??!!

[newowner35i]

If you have driven both of these cars on a track youll see what i mean. The audi has more understeer but better grip due to the performance summer tires. The bmw has better balance but less grip from the summer touring tires. Look on tire rack for the tires on the audi and bmw, youll see why everybody thinks the audi handles better

[JNoSol]

Originally Posted by matt44228

yeah lol i would choose the cls over the a7 any day though =]

I'll take the BMW 6series Grand Coupe (4dr) over the CLS or A7. IMO, CLS are ugly and too many old retired old men drives the A7.

As for 5series or A6, I love my F10. BMW's styling is conservative, yet timeless. Example, the E39 still looks good on the road. The F10 will still look classy 15+ years from now. I can't say the same for the older Audis, Lexus, etc..

[Rbembas_M3]

Originally Posted by ld757

Simple solution. Intall burger tune and beat any A6. Totally removes lug. Much more fun to drive.

They have a burger tune for the 2011 F10 535i?

[TheRox]

Originally Posted by JNoSol

I'll take the BMW 6series Grand Coupe (4dr) over the CLS or A7. IMO, CLS are ugly and too many old retired old men drives the A7.

As for 5series or A6, I love my F10. BMW's styling is conservative, yet timeless. Example, the E39 still looks good on the road. The F10 will still look classy 15+ years from now. I can't say the same for the older Audis, Lexus, etc..

The last part is a huge draw for BMW and Porsche. Both these car brands look good 10+ years down the road. Very conservatively styled....doesn't necessarily excite you today, but won't look as god awfully ugly as an Audi or Mercedes 10 years down the road.

Lexus isn't so bad, middle of the pack. Its still driveable 10 years down the road styling wise. Audi is a fad, a lot of people have personalities that prompt them to purchase into the fad culture. Cheap money doesn't hurt either. Its all about ""the experience"".

[The X Men]

Originally Posted by TheRox

Audi is a fad, a lot of people have personalities that prompt them to purchase into the fad culture. Cheap money doesn't hurt either. Its all about ""the experience"".

Audi is just a fad? I guess Audi have been a fad for the last 100 years then
Stop drinking the BMW Kool Aid.

[JNoSol]

MERCSUk153, I'm actually an Audi S4 fan as well. That's the only Audi model that will ever be in my garage, since the M3 is a bit steep on my wallet. Through the past 8 years, I owned everything from EVO IXs, Merc, Acuras, to Infinitis. I'm hooked on BMWs since I bought an E90, nothing compares to how it drives and handles. Now that I own the F10, it is another leap forward. It's a perfect blend of peformance, luxury, and fuel economy (check out my photo below, actual trip from Houston, TX to Kansas City). I don't think there's any other car I would own in this class. Yes, 300hp and still gets 34.1mpg @ 70mph avg.

I respect your opinion on Audi, and I do agree that they're doing a lot better job on the design compared to 6yrs ago. On this thread, we're comparing the A6 3.0TFSI vs the 535i. Which honestly will get biased opinions on an F10 Post. I've driven both, the A6 does have an understeer feel around tight corners. I also feel disconnected from the road, and I do feel the A6's weight. The 5 series is well balance at 50/50, timeless design, and very driver focused. Since I had an E90, the F10 feels like an E90 around the corner and the weight doesn't feel present. I used to like the LED lines on the Audi headlights, until KIAs caught up to the "Fad." 10yrs from now, I would hate looking at the Audis' headlights since everyone and their moms have it on their headlights. This is what I meant by "Fads." BMWs have been sticking to the kidney grills since the beginning, and their lines/headlights are very predictable for the next model.

BMWs stay conservative, classy, sporty, and timeless on designs which is not easy to do. The designers really think about how people will apeal to their designs 10-15yrs from now. With that, "my" vote is the 535i over the A6 3.0TFSI, but it's a close race in deed.

[The X Men]

Originally Posted by JNoSol

On this thread, we're comparing the A6 3.0TFSI vs the 535i. Which honestly will get biased opinions on an F10 Post. I've driven both, the A6 does have an understeer feel around tight corners. I also feel disconnected from the road, and I do feel the A6's weight. The 5 series is well balance at 50/50, timeless design, and very driver focused. Since I had an E90, the F10 feels like an E90 around the corner and the weight doesn't feel present. I used to like the LED lines on the Audi headlights, until KIAs caught up to the "Fad." 10yrs from now, I would hate looking at the Audis' headlights since everyone and their moms have it on their headlights. This is what I meant by "Fads." BMWs have been sticking to the kidney grills since the beginning, and their lines/headlights are very predictable for the next model.
BMWs stay conservative, classy, sporty, and timeless on designs which is not easy to do. The designers really think about how people will apeal to their designs 10-15yrs from now. With that, "my" vote is the 535i over the A6 3.0TFSI, but it's a close race in deed.

The only way you will notice understeer in the A6 is if you take it on the track and if you are on the track, the A6 will come out of the corner faster than your 535i. In my option, the 5 series actually feels more disconnected than the A6 due to its quieter interior and softer suspension. Did you know the A6 is actually lighter than the 5 series and it drives much lighter as well and more agile. The 5 series without the package is more of a cruiser than a driver's car. My wife has a E90 and I am looking into getting a 535xi and I can tell you that the 5 series drives nothing like the E90, not even close. In fact, the F10 is not even as sporty as the F30.
I guess Audi's LED DRL are such a fad that almost every car manufacturer copied them. Even BMW is started using LED in their angel eyes. I would not say the last gen 5 series' design was conservative, luckily, the design did not carry over to this gen. I like the F10’s design and the combination of the luxury and sportiness, but it is not the driver’s car that it once was.

[JNoSol]

First off, I would never buy an xDrive BMW "car" (except my my awesome '12 E70 Sport - xDrive Only, the Sexiest SUV ever). Audi does a better job than BMW on the AWD stuff, hands down. I was comparing an E90 335i (not 328xi) to an F10 535i, both RWDs. I own both for a year, and the cornering/feel is very similar. The stiff F10's chassis is very stable, the quiet cabin is nice on long cruises.

FYI, I don't need to go to a track to push my cars to the limit. My F10 will go side ways on exit ramps, you just need some balls to push it.

Agree, the F10's factory suspension is on the soft side that disspointed enthusiast (KW or ACS will solve that problem). As for DRL, BMW invented the Halo rings. All they did lately is change the older bulbs with LEDs. That design will stay timeless, as the E39, E36, E46, etc (I wouldn't mind having an E39 or E46 M, awesome cars). I sure hope they don't go with the LED strips in the future.

Sorry, but I'm not sold on the A6 (just the S4 and S5). I'm not saying the A6 is the right or wrong choice for you, just not for "Me." Feel free to convince others.

[The X Men]

Originally Posted by JNoSol

First off, I would never buy an xDrive BMW "car" (except my my awesome '12 E70 Sport - xDrive Only, the Sexiest SUV ever). Audi does a better job than BMW on the AWD stuff, hands down. I was comparing an E90 335i (not 328xi) to an F10 535i, both RWDs. I own both for a year, and the cornering/feel is very similar. The stiff F10's chassis is very stable, the quiet cabin is nice on long cruises.

FYI, I don't need to go to a track to push my cars to the limit. My F10 will go side ways on exit ramps, you just need some balls to push it.

Agree, the F10's factory suspension is on the soft side that disspointed enthusiast (KW or ACS will solve that problem). As for DRL, BMW invented the Halo rings. All they did lately is change the older bulbs with LEDs. That design will stay timeless, as the E39, E36, E46, etc (I wouldn't mind having an E39 or E46 M, awesome cars). I sure hope they don't go with the LED strips in the future.

Sorry, but I'm not sold on the A6 (just the S4 and S5). I'm not saying the A6 is the right or wrong choice for you, just not for "Me." Feel free to convince others.

If you think the 535i handles like a 335i, then you must be really high on the BMW Kool Aid As much as I like the F10 535i, I know what it can or cannot do. If you think there is no difference between the handling of the F10 and the E90, then you must drive your BMW like a old lady. Looking at your 34 MPG trip computer post, I think you like to baby your car.
FYI, while you are power sliding or drifting your BMW RWD side way on a exit ramp, an AWD sedan can power it way thru the same ramp instead of sliding. Guess who will exit the ramp quicker.