[B58-M340iX]

Originally Posted by GrussGott

Dude. THE ENTIRE DETAILING INDUSTRY. Many lawyers have been involved. Emails were published. Pan made videos about it!

This is not an opinion. It's not an i-don't-agree thing. It's just facts[/url]

Yeah, there was a company trying to stir up things but that was all debunked. I don't know what else you're talking about. He makes quality videos and there is nothing at all wrong with the video I posted. It has quality information where we can make our own decision on what to use, but he provides his own recommendations based on his use case and detailing conditions. It seems you're a bit passionate about this. However, I'm willing to look more into this if you have more information about the so-called "entire detailing industry" and all these "lawyers"...

I watch channels that absolutely refuse to do any sponsored videos or product reviews - that's great. However, there's nothing wrong with someone taking money to do actual reviews as long as it is fully disclosed at the start of the video. Pan recommends varying brands and doesn't just tell you to buy "X, Y, and Z" brands and that's it. He provides options for low, mid, and high budgets, time-lapsed testing, and even tests that span months. You can not like him if you want, but there's no denying he absolutely knows what he's talking about and provides everyone with quality videos to understand more about products and how to properly detail your car. I'm happy if Pan makes a bit of money for all of the information he's provided me. He should be paid for his time and I'm happy to use my YouTube Premium or affiliate links to Amazon to insure he makes a bit of cash.

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by GrussGott

Dude. THE ENTIRE DETAILING INDUSTRY. Many lawyers have been involved. Emails were published. Pan made videos about it!

This is not an opinion. It's not an i-don't-agree thing. It's just facts.

It's like saying, "... but Enron is a quality energy trading firm! I'm not sure where you're getting this "

Broadly, if you want to understand how the detailing influencer industry works & gets paid, Scott HD does a good job (e.g., $5k pro-actively put in your paypal acct to do "unsponsored" reviews):

My question in my # 20 post ?

[GrussGott]

Originally Posted by B58-M340iX

Yeah, there was a company trying to stir up things but that was all debunked.

It's pretty hard to debunk an email where you accept payment for a review, and then in the review you say it's a non sponsored video.

What you're doing is (ignorantly) joining in the defense of deceptive business practices wherein a shady influencer - Pan the Advertiser - defends his non disclosed paid review as not sponsored cuz he's not being paid to say nice things, rather just being paid behind the scenes; so he says he doesn't need to disclose. But, since he doesn't want to destroy his future gravy train, OF COURSE he gives glowing reviews!

This practice got so bad, as did the legal jeopardy, that YouTube changed its policies!

And this ignores all the other perks like paid trips, free product, juiced products provided for reviews, etc etc

Purely curious, do you really believe Pan is an unpaid reviewer??

I mean if Scott is getting $5,000 put into his PayPal account proactively before he ever even gets an email request for a review, what do you think Pan is getting?

[GrussGott]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

My question in my # 20 post ?

Ha well I find PBM and all their retail brands & products to be shady as fuck so I avoid all of it.

Same with Chicago auto pros and the hipster dude that runs it, Jeremy or whatever

[PHXATC]

All pissing and moaning aside, the less you touch your car's paint with anything, the less chance of scratches. Obviously you cannot go through life not touching your car's paint.

Find some videos on youtube (already mentioned however Obsessed Garage has some good ones, although his content is off the car detailing rails the last year and more 'obsessed' with his own bottom line, so search some videos that are 4 to 5 years ago, they are better) about car washing and detailing.

You don't need expensive products, however, there is a balance and tipping point somewhere for using better products that cost a bit more versus the over hyped crap that is just expensive to pay for the marketing. Find and try things that work for YOU, not the next person on here. Everyone's situation is different: how you drive your car, how often you drive your car, how often you want to/can wash your car, where you live (humidity, snow, sun, salt, etc.), and your budget.

To me, in learning all this stuff about detailing and a simple maintenance wash, was to learn about my patience level, cultivating and trying products and finding what I like THEN STICKING WITH THEM, and determining my time frame for protection (wax is lovely but needs replacement every 6 or so months, ceramic is lovely but expensive initial outlay and takes 5 times longer to install and yet lasts 2-5 years).

The journey is part of the fun. How obsessive you want to be, is up to you. Don't get suckered down a rabbit hole of buying stuff you don't need - find value in the products you purchase, find value in the time you spend, and then go crack a beer or 3 and enjoy your hard work and drive the car while it is looking beautiful!

[allinon72]

Pan the Organizer, you just have to laugh at the guy. I've been watching for several years and enjoy his content sometimes for what it is...entertainment. I've used enough products to be able to run his videos thru my own personal filter to know what is real and what is BS. But man, he hasn't met a product he doesn't like, go ahead and try to find a video where he doesn't like the product. I've never seen a guy be so openly and blatantly bought off by just about every product he's approached with. Then he makes a video trying to refute it, quite cringy. If you've going to do it, just own it.

[B58-M340iX]

He provides so much information on how to do a proper wash and recommends various different brands. Is there a brand he's talked about or reviewed that you have disliked so much you'd never use it? Most modern products will perform decently but it mainly depends on your budget and if you appropriately deconned the paint prior to applying your protection. Guess you guys are not a fan - he's not dedicated to a single product or two and has mentioned products he doesn't like for specific purposes.

[GrussGott]

Originally Posted by PHXATC

the less you touch your car's paint with anything, the less chance of scratches

... finding what I like THEN STICKING WITH THEM

Great post!

The one thing I'd add to the points above is, I've found for me a daily rinseless speed wash is the best way to avoid marring since if there's ANY dirt / dust on your car someone is gonna brush up against it and there's the scratches

For examples, after a rainy road trip the rear of the car was toasted with dirt and when I washed it, this heinous V scratch was under it:



It will polish out, might take 2-step tho, but I have no idea how it got there, especially since the bottom of the tailgate opens down covering the bumper when loading.

Since I never got near there while it was dirty my only guess is, someone brushed it with a bag or something walking by.

Anyway, since I've started doing a 20 min speed wash most days (good exercise!) this hasn't happened again.

[Tejas1836]

Originally Posted by GrussGott

Great post!

The one thing I'd add to the points above is, I've found for me a daily rinseless speed wash is the best way to avoid marring since if there's ANY dirt / dust on your car someone is gonna brush up against it and there's the scratches

For examples, after a rainy road trip the rear of the car was toasted with dirt and when I washed it, this heinous V scratch was under it:



It will polish out, might take 2-step tho, but I have no idea how it got there, especially since the bottom of the tailgate opens down covering the bumper when loading.

Since I never got near there while it was dirty my only guess is, someone brushed it with a bag or something walking by.

Anyway, since I've started doing a 20 min speed wash most days (good exercise!) this hasn't happened again.

That part of any of my cars is a scratch magnet, one of the few places I put PPF

[bizfiend]

Originally Posted by GrussGott

Technique trumps product by a mile.

what do you do to prevent water spots from hard water?
do you rinse with hard water?

[BruinMan]

Originally Posted by bizfiend

what do you do to prevent water spots from hard water?
do you rinse with hard water?

Have you done a paint correction? Including clay and polish?
You want a slick surface to help with you car wash.

Then you can use a drying agent after you hand wash the car.
Obviously, you cannot wash you car in the hot sun. With a drying agent and a leaf blower you can get a quick start drying your car before the water spots dry up. Towel off the rest.

I like Adam’s Polishes for my detail products.

Try Adam's H2O Guard & Gloss (can be used with the car still wet) or their CS3 product after you wash your car to prevent hard water spots.

[bizfiend]

Originally Posted by BruinMan

Have you done a paint correction? Including clay and polish?
You want a slick surface to help with you car wash.

Then you can use a drying agent after you hand wash the car.
Obviously, you cannot wash you car in the hot sun. With a drying agent and a leaf blower you can get a quick start drying your car before the water spots dry up. Towel off the rest.

I like Adam’s Polishes for my detail products.

Try Adam's H2O Guard & Gloss (can be used with the car still wet) or their CS3 product after you wash your car to prevent hard water spots.

I've tried many times to wipe dry with a spray product, I would have to keep changing towels once streaks start showing from the saturated towel and the streaks dried even faster leaving stains. It's not possible to dry the whole car before any water starts drying up from the heat and I don't want to rush to dry the car.

I didn't want to spend a few hundred dollars on a 700cfm cumbersome blower just for drying.

I was gonna go with the de-ionized water filtration system, but I really don't like the maintenance the filtration system needs.
Then, I was gonna go with a Ryobi 18V EZClean 600 PSI Cordless Power Cleaner, but reviews showed it to be weak, battery life is low, you can't upgrade any parts on it, and the expensive battery is heavy to carry around.

So I've decided to get a Ryobi 1.2gpm that plugs into the wall and is fed distilled water from a pump in a 5 gallon bucket.
This way I can wash in the sun and not worry about water drying on the car ever again.

I just received the Griot's G9 today. I'm still waiting for 5" pads and backing plate to arrive, I could just try out the 6" pads in the mean time. I'll be using Meguiar's Compound and Polish for 2 steps, then wipe down with alcohol, then add spray sealant.
This will be my very first attempt at polishing. I've already got a clay towel and gonna use it after chemical decontamination with iron remover and degreaser around the body. I do need a clay job, the panels feels gritty after a wash.

[bizfiend]

Originally Posted by GrussGott

Functionally this is the exact same as $3,000 of professionally applied ceramic coating.

Technique trumps product by a mile.

I found your method. But instead of hydroshot, I'm getting Ryobi 1.2gpm and a 1/2hp water pump in a bucket of distilled water. I heard those battery operated stick pressure washers are kinda weak.

[biz77]

IMO, having DI resin delivered to your door and changing it out is far less of a PITA than continuously going to the store to buy multiple 1 gallon jugs of water, but to each thier own. I typically only need to swap my resin over twice a year washing two cars and the occasional 24' travel trailer with 200ppm incoming water. And this is using DI water for the whole wash process, not just the final rinse.

[bizfiend]

Originally Posted by biz77

And this is using DI water for the whole wash process, not just the final rinse.

I'm still in the stages of deciding to go with a tank or a DI filter. I'm worried about not getting 0 ppm from the filter or something worse, and not many places to buy the resin in Canada. But I think I will get the orange colored Vevor for $140 usd shipped and that'll save me 2/3 of the price it would cost to buy each gallon.
Are you using mixed bed resin? How many gallons are you getting before needing to change the resin?
Which DI system are you using?

[biz77]

Yes on mixed bed. DIY solution using a single Pentair 20" blue canister and Hydronix cartridge from Amazon. I can only guess on the water volume, but likley 300-400 gallons and I change resin once it hits 5ppm. I usually buy my resin on eBay.

[yeezy]

Originally Posted by GrussGott

So exactly same as a sealant just longer lasting - which doesn't matter if you're reapplying - so not horseshit, so your mouth got ahead of your knowledge. Cool, happens to all of us.

Because so much more wet & glossy than this, right? Totally $3k worth, right? No. (btw, those wheels have 2 coats of DLux and 2 of Gliss, i.e resin-based ceramic coating)





PS - Just FYI: the #1 thing that adds gloss is paint enhancement polishing - like by FAR. This is all easily verified with a gloss meter.

After you wash your car, what do you put on to finish it? Is it just the turtle wax seal-n-shine?

[Phillies8008]

I'll say three things:

1) You don't need a zillion products and you don't need to try them all. At the end of the day the truth is that they're all essentially pretty much the same. Pick a brand and go with it – personally I've been happy with everything I've gotten from Griot's Garage.

2) A power washer isn't necessary to do a good job, but it makes the rinsing much easier. To my mind it's all about convenience rather than necessity, and as cheap as they are, why not?

3) My biggest problem with Pan the Organizer is that he doesn't know how to STFU and get to the point. His videos are at least three times longer than they need to be. I've pretty much stopped watching him.

[B58-M340iX]

Originally Posted by Phillies8008

I'll say three things:

3) My biggest problem with Pan the Organizer is that he doesn't know how to STFU and get to the point. His videos are at least three times longer than they need to be. I've pretty much stopped watching him.

I don't have a "STFU and get to the point" take, but I get what you mean. To do a proper job, people need to understand the differences in acidic/alkaline/pH-neutral snow foams, how to prep and apply ceramic coatings, and how to take care of specific situations (bug guts, bird droppings, water spots that may or may not have etched, etc).

Once you have most of the fundamentals down, the details can seem boring to some because those details are already known. You have passed the "explain it like I'm 5" stage and just want the meat and potatoes. I still learn new tips and tricks from Pan. Sure, he advertises his own products now, but he also uses other companies' products, such as DIY Detail, Griot's Garage, Koch Chemie, etc. I'm not mad at the guy for trying to start his own business and sell products if they actually work and perform as advertised.

Can't please everyone on the internet, but I know what I do about detailing because of Pan and a couple of other YT detailers. He encourages people to watch other channels for other tips/tricks and to provide their favorite methods in the comments. Sure, that drives engagement, but it also allows people to discuss detailing just like we discuss BMWs here on a forum.

[Phillies8008]

Yeah, I think I just have a very low tolerance for YT videos with what I find to be excessively long preambles. As you say, everyone's preference is their own so more power to anyone who enjoys him.

[TimmyTurbos]

Just a quick note for the CCB crew...ONLY use a PH neutral wheel cleaner if you have CCBs. I prefer CarPro Reset for the whole car because of this.

[Junkman2008]

I don't know how my video never found this thread. If you are a LOGICAL thinker (one who sees the common sense in any explanation), this video is for you.