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"Well, first of all, I came onboard, but I've never led alone. Zak and I, we've always been pretty much working in unison, very connected, and then we created around us a group of leaders with whom we are very united."
"There's nothing in this business that you do alone, even when it comes to the difficult decisions or analysing the team to understand how you should improve it. Where are the areas that should be consolidated and, if anything, strengthened? And where are the areas where you need a little bit of a revolution, because otherwise we are never going to get where we want – or not fast enough?"

"People who don't have collaborative attributes are simply not at the table''

Stella on his most meaningful achievement...Making every member of the 1000+ team part of the journey.

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So according to RN365, Piastri has 'activated a intimidation tactic' oh right MAX must be trembling like a leaf at the lose lose situation :
https://racingnews365.com/red-bull-f...dation-tactics
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So according to RN365, Piastri has 'activated a intimidation tactic' oh right MAX must be trembling like a leaf at the lose lose situation :
https://racingnews365.com/red-bull-f...dation-tactics
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"Recent statements indicate that George Russell and the Mercedes-AMG Petronas F1 team are targeting third place in the WDC as a realistic goal given the current performance of the cars."
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So according to RN365, Piastri has 'activated a intimidation tactic' oh right MAX must be trembling like a leaf at the lose lose situation :
https://racingnews365.com/red-bull-f...dation-tactics
Let's talk when Pia wins 4 WDCs in a row (or even 3) in a car half as difficult to drive as the RB cars have been.
Pia can barely beat Nor...he'd have no shot against Max in the same car...especially if he needs to manage a tire.
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Let's talk when Pia wins 4 WDCs in a row (or even 3) in a car half as difficult to drive as the RB cars have been.
Pia can barely beat Nor...he'd have no shot against Max in the same car...especially if he needs to manage a tire.
Which means of course Piastri should have it easy compared to MAX at least until the end of this season
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Let's talk when Pia wins 4 WDCs in a row (or even 3) in a car half as difficult to drive as the RB cars have been.
Pia can barely beat Nor...he'd have no shot against Max in the same car...especially if he needs to manage a tire.

Hamilton fans said the same about Max a few years back.

Oscar is almost a 100 points ahead of your midfield driver.

Enjoy the rest of the season.

Of course with the Ford PU and the current staff at RBR, Max is going to be lucky to be in the midfield next year
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Hamilton fans said the same about Max a few years back.

Oscar is almost a 100 points ahead of your midfield driver.

Enjoy the rest of the season.

Of course with the Ford PU and the current staff at RBR, Max is going to be lucky to be in the midfield next year
Where was Pia last year in a car that dominated 80%+ of the season on pace? Not where Max is this year in what is one of the worst cars on the grid. Where was Pia when their car wasnt a dominant force? Oh yea, that's right, he was fighting at the back of the grid with Logan Sargent for 15-18th place...not even a whiff of anything you'd call a good result until he got a car that was purely dominant. Max has 100% shown he can put up results in bad cars which most of his have been, and none of his WDCs were in cars that were dominant...rather he dominated in them in ways no one else could.
Max has never had a car near the level of the Mclaren last year or this year, yet with the RB18/19 he still had more points that Pia or Nor at this point and put up two seasons that were flat out for the history books...neither Pia or Nor can match what he did despite a car that could easily do it, and the latter comes down to the two driving it. They only perform as well as the car can drive whereas Max puts bad cars well ahead of where they should be and in decent cars, he flat out makes them all look like rookies.
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It's good to see these posts pointing out that without being with a quality team and in an excellent car, a driver has little chance of becoming a WDC. Looking at the drivers that use to be up in the front of the field but now are not, it becomes pretty obvious. It still surprises how many fans here don't find the WCC important.
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Where was Pia last year in a car that dominated 80%+ of the season on pace? Not where Max is this year in what is one of the worst cars on the grid. Where was Pia when their car wasnt a dominant force? Oh yea, that's right, he was fighting at the back of the grid with Logan Sargent for 15-18th place...not even a whiff of anything you'd call a good result until he got a car that was purely dominant. Max has 100% shown he can put up results in bad cars which most of his have been, and none of his WDCs were in cars that were dominant...rather he dominated in them in ways no one else could.
Max has never had a car near the level of the Mclaren last year or this year, yet with the RB18/19 he still had more points that Pia or Nor at this point and put up two seasons that were flat out for the history books...neither Pia or Nor can match what he did despite a car that could easily do it, and the latter comes down to the two driving it. They only perform as well as the car can drive whereas Max puts bad cars well ahead of where they should be and in decent cars, he flat out makes them all look like rookies.
It took until the seventh season of Max’s career for him to win the championship, remember back when he couldn’t beat Hamilton. Ocar is only in his third season.

I guess you can continue to relive his four titles like all the Vettel fans have been.

Oscar may not win the championship but as long as it’s a McLaren I’m happy 😃
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It took until the seventh season of Max’s career for him to win the championship, remember back when he couldn’t beat Hamilton. Ocar is only in his third season.

I guess you can continue to relive his four titles like all the Vettel fans have been.

Oscar may not win the championship but as long as it’s a McLaren I’m happy ��
LOL - so taking the worst car on the grid and running P3 in the WDC is now midfield? Geez, what would you call it when Pia and Nor were back markers - given your post both of them should have been booted from F1. Difference is their car was about as good or better than the RB21 yet neither of them would have dreamed of P3 or anything close beside they’re nothing without their dominant car and tire cooling - Max on the other hand is being a back marker car to the front.
Max won in his 6th but how many seasons it takes doesnt really matter. What is someone didn’t win for 10 seasons then went on to win 9 titles after. They’d still be the best ever. You still need a decent car capable of winning. I think the stats on how many years you have a car capable of winning vs how many you win should be the metric. Max is 4 WDCs with 4 seasons his car was capable. Oscar so far is 0 for 1. MB had a car that was only competing by itself in a field of 18 other cars - no talent or skill required there when your car is F1 competing with F4 cars and that was proven year after year. Once Max got a decent car in 2021 he took down MB like a rabid animal. Pia, Nor, Lec, etc. would never have even made a run at it...
Beyond that, Max coming in at 17 certainly wasnt an advantage. He went basically from karting to F1 and as we can see, he was much more talented at a younger age than the very hyped up Ant. No other driver on the grid or in history was nearly that good at 17.

It's clear Mclaren are going to win, but their drivers are nothing special. Similar to MB, excellent car and mediocre drivers. Max in the same car would have won at least 12 races this year himself. Again, if Pia were so good, he'd not have trouble beating Nor who isnt that good, and has serious mental strength issues.

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Hamilton fans said the same about Max a few years back.

Oscar is almost a 100 points ahead of your midfield driver.

Enjoy the rest of the season.

Of course with the Ford PU and the current staff at RBR, Max is going to be lucky to be in the midfield next year
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Hamilton fans said the same about Max a few years back.

Oscar is almost a 100 points ahead of your midfield driver.

Enjoy the rest of the season.

Of course with the Ford PU and the current staff at RBR, Max is going to be lucky to be in the midfield next year
The hybrid Ford PU is rumoured to be a rocket and the crew at RBR will be raring to go once March comes
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The hybrid Ford PU is rumoured to be a rocket and the crew at RBR will be raring to go once March comes
That could be the case but Ford has been out of F1 for decades.

It took Honda 3 years to get their PU reliable when they returned to F1. McLaren had to switch suppliers because the Honda kept blowing up.
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That could be the case but Ford has been out of F1 for decades.

It took Honda 3 years to get their PU reliable when they returned to F1. McLaren had to switch suppliers because the Honda kept blowing up.
The Ford is probably a rebadged Red Bull Power Trains unit. Either way it's going to be interesting!!! 2026 championships will most certainly be decide by who manufactures the best one. My money is on MB
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It's good to see these posts pointing out that without being with a quality team and in an excellent car, a driver has little chance of becoming a WDC. Looking at the drivers that use to be up in the front of the field but now are not, it becomes pretty obvious. It still surprises how many fans here don't find the WCC important.
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All I'll say is that MAX would be leading the championship if not for the Laren tyre cooling trick alone, not rocket science really

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Wished we could say that about the Frenchman Wache and his RB21 design.

On the other hand , the only thing the RB21 is very good at is very fast corners.
And the Zandvoort track has that with even a 34% banking (!)
That's why I think , MAX can nail the pole .
McLaren has still the tyre cooling advantage in the race (as usual)!
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That could be the case but Ford has been out of F1 for decades.

It took Honda 3 years to get their PU reliable when they returned to F1. McLaren had to switch suppliers because the Honda kept blowing up.
The 2026 Ford PU will be a rebuilt 2025 Honda PU but according to the 2026 FIA PU's regs.
And the 100% CO2-neutral fuel could determine power dynamics in 2026 (!)
A 50 HP gain is on the scales . At least for the PU's with the best new fuel management.
50% of the HP and torque comes from a heavy pig battery . The key of the battery is the recharge time .

The recharge time of battery gives you the key to push the "MOM" button again..
MOM = "Manual Override Mode"
The 2026 season will introduce a "Manual Override Mode" (MOM) to replace the current Drag Reduction System (DRS). MOM allows a trailing car to access extra battery power to boost speed when within a second of the car ahead, enhancing overtaking opportunities. Unlike DRS, which is limited to specific zones, MOM can be activated anytime within that one-second window.
And that really s@cks ...
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