[darkcloud]

Originally Posted by bbkg79

I thought about a second V8 E92 or E93 in White, so I still have a chance to get allocate finances

if you can I'd buy it, put it in a garage and forget about it. then bust it out all shinny and new in 10 years just to be ballin haha.

I'm sure you'd even find some old school BMW nut to pay way to much for it cuz they don't like the direction BMW took the M division over those years.

[grimlock]

Why are no f10 owners commenting? This is the f10 forum isn't it?...

any idea if this switchover applies to non-EU areas? you know we never get the newest DI engines here unless we pay up for the -35i -50i..

[raleedy]

I'd like to be optimistic like the other posters above, but I'm not. This won't work in the US. A $60K full-size car that weighs 4200 lbs and has a 4 cylinder engine? Who's signing up to buy that? The Buick Regal turbo is a much more attractive proposition.

[snkpkp]

Originally Posted by raleedy

I'd like to be optimistic like the other posters above, but I'm not. This won't work in the US. A $60K full-size car that weighs 4200 lbs and has a 4 cylinder engine? Who's signing up to buy that? The Buick Regal turbo is a much more attractive proposition.

0-60 time will be faster than current 528i

[SteVTEC]

I don't care how good the new engine is, how much power it makes, or how good the fuel economy "might" be. No way I'm paying nearly $50k for a fucking 4-banger in a 5-series. I think the turbo-I6 in the 7-series as an entry level engine makes a lot of sense, and I also think the turbo-4 makes a lot of sense in the smaller vehicles where the long I6 design compromises interior space. But in the 5-series? No deal, no way, no how. Sorry I'll pass. And we were planning to do an ED on a '12 528i too. Had already test driven the '11 528i with that sweet N52 and loved it, but now it'll be gone. Might have to get an '11 off the lot on closeout.

It's just wrong. You can't replace one of the smoothest running and sweetest sounding engines in the world, a type of engine that BMW has almost been the sole producer of and well known for for, what, 20 or 30 years now, with one of the nastiest running and nastiest sounding engines in the world found in the lowest common denominator cars, and expect people to still pay a premium price for it. It may go faster and it may consume less fuel, but will have a totally different character. Cutting the naturally aspirated Inline-6 is a big loss for the BMW world.

But then again (devil's advocate), there's still the turbo Inline-6 which a lot of the enthusiasts go for anyways, so it's not like they're cutting Inline-6 engines completely - just the naturally aspirated ones. I also have a feeling that very few BMW customers (the vast majority of whom don't post on forums like these) have no friggin clue in the world what the hell an Inline-6 engine even is and why they're special or different, and wouldn't know or understand the difference between that and a turbo-4 anyways since they're mostly after the badge. And I'm guessing BMW knows this already, too. If their customers as a whole don't value the NA I-6, then why should BMW?

Oh just looking at my old sig and LOLZ. Never did get the 07 530i like we were planning to. Couldn't time the ED until the fall after the '08 came out, and then lost interest. Had no interest in the turbo-I6 because I knew it would be unreliable and we were planning to own not lease, and didn't want the neutered NA-I6 either. Finally got enthusiastic again now that they brought back a relatively high spec NA I6 motor in the F10 only to watch them kill it off after just a year.

[SteVTEC]

Originally Posted by raleedy

I'd like to be optimistic like the other posters above, but I'm not. This won't work in the US. A $60K full-size car that weighs 4200 lbs and has a 4 cylinder engine? Who's signing up to buy that? The Buick Regal turbo is a much more attractive proposition.

That pretty much says it all right there. Yep, if I really wanted a turbo 4-banger, the nastiest feeling and sounding engine configuration in the world, yes a Buick Regal GS at half the price would be more along the lines of what I'd be looking for. GM knows a thing or two about managing torque steer too, so I can imagine it being quite drivable in spite of being FWD. And if I really wanted a "luxury" car with a turbo-4 I'd much rather buy an Audi for the sole reason that they've been building them for over a decade now and probably know a thing or two about building them well that BMW doesn't. I still don't think I'd want one in an A6 though.

[raleedy]

Originally Posted by snkpkp

0-60 time will be faster than current 528i

Who really cares about that? There is always a car out there with a faster 0-60 time. It's a meaningless benchmark.

[SteVTEC]

I can't be sold on more power. Yes the new turbo-4 probably will be a lot faster than the current N52B30, but then I'd run into the same problem I have with one of my current cars. Lots of power + nowhere to really enjoy it = frustration and boredom.

[HighlandPete]

Feel for us... in the UK, we are expecting to see the new 3-cylinder petrol and diesel engines in the next 3-series.

HighlandPete

[SteVTEC]

Originally Posted by HighlandPete

Feel for us... in the UK, we are expecting to see the new 3-cylinder petrol and diesel engines in the next 3-series.

HighlandPete

[Dan335]

I was thinking of ED'ing a 2011 528 to pick up in June. Now I'm thinking of waiting till September if the model/engine is going to change.

Is it going to be a 528i --> 520i?

[SteVTEC]

I think they're still going to call it a 528i, at least in the U.S.

[rocco90]

Any idea of what could be the price comparable to the current 528i model...

[raleedy]

Originally Posted by rocco90

Any idea of what could be the price comparable to the current 528i model...

I don't think it will be lower. Why would it?

[grimlock]

I drove my 528i N52B30 this weekend with an eye to driving dynamics, in light of the switchover to I4 2.0T. Here's a few thoughts:

-With about 650lbs of passengers+driver there is not much extra sense of the regular lack of torque.. the lack of torque can already be felt with only the driver
-One does not need to/cannot throw the car around with passengers because they are already moving around like crazy.. so you do not need power
-The car ex. engine severely limits the benefits of extra engine power unless you don't care about the car, because it is too large (think mercedes S65 amg)
-The only advantage of extra power is the feeling of having it -power on demand
-I floored it at a light with a z3/4 (no passengers, fully warmed up) and the acceleration motion is crazy. not from a torque 'push' perspective, but the ascending nature of the motion and the blowoff above 6500rpm. perhaps the most pleasing and rewarding experience at this engine/car level
-the 'fun factor' is immense in having a not-too-powerful yet high revving engine in a normal sedan, allows guilty driving pleasure

I don't know what the new I4 2.0T can do, but if I had to pick one blind having only tried the N52B30, I would keep it!
The new engine has a lot to live up to.
But if you never floor it, and prefer extra torque at low rpm, the new one's for you.

[SteVTEC]

Originally Posted by grimlock

I don't know what the new I4 2.0T can do, but if I had to pick one blind having only tried the N52B30, I would keep it!
The new engine has a lot to live up to.
But if you never floor it, and prefer extra torque at low rpm, the new one's for you.

I think that's why I felt a little bored on the 535i test drive. Never winds up, you never hear it, it just uses the torque and stays in as high of a gear as possible. Unless you step on it real good, in which case there's simply no room to enjoy the power where I am and you're almost immediately going to have to get on the brakes. The N52B30 felt more 'alive' and would wind up a little more and sounded better, even in normal traffic conditions.

[grimlock]

Originally Posted by SteVTEC

I think that's why I felt a little bored on the 535i test drive. Never winds up, you never hear it, it just uses the torque and stays in as high of a gear as possible. Unless you step on it real good, in which case there's simply no room to enjoy the power where I am and you're almost immediately going to have to get on the brakes. The N52B30 felt more 'alive' and would wind up a little more and sounded better, even in normal traffic conditions.

SteVTEC, we must be kindred souls
who knew you could have so much fun with this modest engine with such a large+heavy car?
now I rev the engine up every time I past another bmw, big and small -1,3,5,7s, -23s and -35s .. just to smile to myself, and imagine what they must be thinking.. "What the !#%$ was that?" hehehe..