[grimlock]

Originally Posted by RC3

You mean this?

http://www.bmwhk.com/com/en/newvehicles/prp/index.html

Think they made a mistake on the engine description of the new 528. Can someone tell what exactly is the 530?

530i is availible in europe+uk as the N53 @272PS, same torque (310nm)
have not seen it in any other markets.. BMWhk lists it but we don't know if its for real or they just messing

[rikuF10]

Originally Posted by grimlock

530i is availible in europe+uk as the N53 @272PS, same torque (310nm)
have not seen it in any other markets.. BMWhk lists it but we don't know if its for real or they just messing

The 2012 528i comes with the new N20 inline 4 turbo engine. When I ordered my 528i, my salesman told me the 530i is the 2011 inline-6 528i with minor modification to the engine. So, I also guess it is the 272PS N53 F10 as in the UK market.

[WCf10]

Anyone knows where to buy ATS wheels in HK?

[AT98]

Originally Posted by Calvin-STi

woo~~ sounds good, the 528i can ready order, if you can wait must take some order in option, all option is good in use, but after full option your price will be .........
do u know when is the 1st shippment is coming?

Bros, finally I ordered a 528 with dynamic damper control few days ago. wish to order adaptive drive but it is only for 535 and above.

Right the option list items are so so expensive....

Manufacture in March, to be arrived in May.

I also went to the tyre shop behind BMW hung hom shop. Initially, I consider to buy Breyton 20 inch rims (good looking and I like so much). However, the salesman persuaded me to buy forged wheel like "Morr VS8.2". The weight difference between Morr and Breyton could be 1/3 less in Morr. I have read the "article" by RC3 and strongly agree that Breyton is value for money (PRC made) since it is much cheaper than Morr. Can Bros.like Rlai (also using Morr) give me some idea- what if I buy Breyton? Does it really affect performance (compare if I use forged wheel like Morr)? If slighly, I may still go for Breyton. If large, I will go for forged wheels. I dont know about physics. Thx for your input in advance.

Also, are u bros. buy rims in HK or overseas? $8000 for each forged wheel is not cheap in HK!

[grimlock]

Originally Posted by at

Bros, finally I ordered a 528 with dynamic damper control few days ago. wish to order adaptive drive but it is only for 535 and above.

Right the option list items are so so expensive....

Manufacture in March, to be arrived in May.

I also went to the tyre shop behind BMW hung hom shop. Initially, I consider to buy Breyton 20 inch rims (good looking and I like so much). However, the salesman persuaded me to buy forged wheel like "Morr VS8.2". The weight difference between Morr and Breyton could be 1/3 less in Morr. I have read the "article" by RC3 and strongly agree that Breyton is value for money (PRC made) since it is much cheaper than Morr. Can Bros.like Rlai (also using Morr) give me some idea- what if I buy Breyton? Does it really affect performance (compare if I use forged wheel like Morr)? If slighly, I may still go for Breyton. If large, I will go for forged wheels. I dont know about physics. Thx for your input in advance.

Also, are u bros. buy rims in HK or overseas? $8000 for each forged wheel is not cheap in HK!

Because it has been a while since i touched on the subject, i will gladly answer the physics part of the question.. and leave the experience, prices etc. to RC, 'Rlai' and others

How much do breytons weigh? lets say approx. 31lbs vs 21 for the Morr.
Thats the equivalent of changing the RFTs (~35.5lbs) to non-RFT.
Performance wise, about 0.1s in 0-100km (so not much)
But when you turn the wheel -'handling' ..and braking is improved. How much is the question. There is definite difference, but if you were to blind test, you may not be able to tell (some may, it depends how sensitive you are..)
So weight the price (double?) vs. how much is the improvement.. the f10 is a heavy car with electronic steering .. so it depends how much are you willing to spend for the improvement. (Like if you care alot or the extra money is not a big deal, then do it..)
Goodluck and congrats on your purchase

[AT98]

Originally Posted by grimlock

Because it has been a while since i touched on the subject, i will gladly answer the physics part of the question.. and leave the experience, prices etc. to RC, 'Rlai' and others

How much do breytons weigh? lets say approx. 31lbs vs 21 for the Morr.
Thats the equivalent of changing the RFTs (~35.5lbs) to non-RFT.
Performance wise, about 0.1s in 0-100km (so not much)
But when you turn the wheel -'handling' ..and braking is improved. How much is the question. There is definite difference, but if you were to blind test, you may not be able to tell (some may, it depends how sensitive you are..)
So weight the price (double?) vs. how much is the improvement.. the f10 is a heavy car with electronic steering .. so it depends how much are you willing to spend for the improvement. (Like if you care alot or the extra money is not a big deal, then do it..)
Goodluck and congrats on your purchase

Many thx bro for u input.

If I opt for those forged wheels which I like, it is aready more than double for each wheel of Breyton. I note bro. RC3 is using Forgestar wheels and seems this is middle price.....

[RC3]

ok, let me chime in a bit.

My initial choice was breyton but did not go for it for two reasons. 1 being it's PRC made and 2 it's cast and heavy. I love the look but I really don't want PRC rims and cast rims. Any saving on weight would improve on pick up, cornering and braking. I have light weight rims, light weight suspension and light weight front brakes. My car is totally different from stock. This is my experience from my mods over the year. Unsprung weight would influence performance and you can google on this. But as I said so many time if you only opt for the look then it's ok for the bretyon.

Morr is absolute great and it's actually flowed formed like the Forgestar. I like the Morr more than my Forgestar but it is not out when I got my car. These two rims are made in USA so one thing you can consider. Takes time to order so you have to wait.

I think you can order from the vendors here and save a few bucks if if go for any of these.

Hope this helps.

BTW, it's mlai not rlai. hehe

[mlai]

Originally Posted by RC3

Morr is absolute great and it's actually flowed formed like the Forgestar. I like the Morr more than my Forgestar but it is not out when I got my car. These two rims are made in USA so one thing you can consider. Takes time to order so you have to wait.

I think you can order from the vendors here and save a few bucks if if go for any of these.

Hope this helps.

BTW, it's mlai not rlai. hehe

Are you sure? I thought Morr are forged..........

[RC3]

Originally Posted by mlai

Are you sure? I thought Morr are forged..........

The VS8.2 is SpunForged which is same as flow formed. Technically they are all cast but light weight. See links:

http://www.**********.com/technology.php

http://www.tirerack.com/wheels/tech/....jsp?techid=90

Not sure about your MS8 multi-piece which I think should be forged by the price.

[RC3]

Originally Posted by at

I have read the "article" by RC3 and strongly agree that Breyton is value for money (PRC made) since it is much cheaper than Morr.

Also, are u bros. buy rims in HK or overseas? $8000 for each forged wheel is not cheap in HK!

I should clarify that I said Forgestar is value for money. If you don't mind these wheels are like uniforms now, everywhere in HK. hehe. Only around HK$5000 per piece.

Frankly I love forged wheels but I have limited budget so I rather save a bit on wheels and have other mods instead.

[AC_S5]

Originally Posted by RC3

I should clarify that I said Forgestar is value for money. If you don't mind these wheels are like uniforms now, everywhere in HK. hehe. Only around HK$5000 per piece.

Frankly I love forged wheels but I have limited budget so I rather save a bit on wheels and have other mods instead.

Hmm... limited budget and you... can't associated the two

[koby]

I have a set of Breytons on my 528 and here are a few thoughts I'd share w you...

I weighed the wheels before they were installed and they we're 24.1 and 26.3 F & R in the 20" set. I forgot the weight the factory wheels but as I recall both were above 30lbs

I got the mirror finish and on the box it indicated "made in Germany." not sure if this has changed recently or if the finish has anything to do with it as they were more expensive than the black or silver painted finishes.

FWIW I had a set of HRE forged mono blocks on my 997 and to be quite honest the improvement is immaterial. At least as measured by pants to the seat the peformance increase wasn't noticeable. But damn they did look good.

In the end I'm fully content w the breytons I have on my 528. The car is our family vehicle and the performance is sufficient. They have also been properly banged and scraped up and guess what? Doesnt hurt as it would/did with $10k+ wheels. I'm sure all the benefits of a lighter wheel/tire combo exist as indicated above, and if indeed then there should be a marginal improvement vs stock given the factory rim + RFT setup.

I the end do what you like and what feels right, it's your car and no one else's opinions should matter.

My 2 cents

[jxnco]

Agree with Koby, at the end of the day, it's your car. Performance wise, the change is not proportional to the price as with every single thing in this world.

The way I chose my wheels, looks weighed in the most. Followed by price, and then performance the least. At the time, or even now, I still think Morr VS8.2 is the best choice considering all the factors. Of course if I had unlimited funds like Mlai, I would go for Morr MS8. IMO they are the best looking wheels for an F10 at the moment.

If I were you, I'd check out the Vertini Magic concave wheels. Very reasonably priced and looks a bit like the MS8s.

[mlai]

Originally Posted by jxnco

Agree with Koby, at the end of the day, it's your car. Performance wise, the change is not proportional to the price as with every single thing in this world.

The way I chose my wheels, looks weighed in the most. Followed by price, and then performance the least. At the time, or even now, I still think Morr VS8.2 is the best choice considering all the factors. Of course if I had unlimited funds like Mlai, I would go for Morr MS8. IMO they are the best looking wheels for an F10 at the moment.

If I were you, I'd check out the Vertini Magic concave wheels. Very reasonably priced and looks a bit like the MS8s.

What unlimited funds? You poisoned all of us into Morrs, jxnco!

[AC_S5]

Originally Posted by mlai

What unlimited funds? You poisoned all of us into Morrs, jxnco!

In order to take the poison, you need unlimited funds.

You don't see people like me take poison, right?

[RC3]

Originally Posted by AC_S5

Hmm... limited budget and you... can't associated the two

Hehe, limited budget on wheels that is. Not for the other stuffs.

[RC3]

Originally Posted by koby

I have a set of Breytons on my 528 and here are a few thoughts I'd share w you...

I weighed the wheels before they were installed and they we're 24.1 and 26.3 F & R in the 20" set. I forgot the weight the factory wheels but as I recall both were above 30lbs

I got the mirror finish and on the box it indicated "made in Germany." not sure if this has changed recently or if the finish has anything to do with it as they were more expensive than the black or silver painted finishes.

FWIW I had a set of HRE forged mono blocks on my 997 and to be quite honest the improvement is immaterial. At least as measured by pants to the seat the peformance increase wasn't noticeable. But damn they did look good.

In the end I'm fully content w the breytons I have on my 528. The car is our family vehicle and the performance is sufficient. They have also been properly banged and scraped up and guess what? Doesnt hurt as it would/did with $10k+ wheels. I'm sure all the benefits of a lighter wheel/tire combo exist as indicated above, and if indeed then there should be a marginal improvement vs stock given the factory rim + RFT setup.

I the end do what you like and what feels right, it's your car and no one else's opinions should matter.

My 2 cents

Agree with you bro. Wheel is a personal choice so as long as you like it, pick it.

I am not 100% sure where Breyton is made. But if you google you can find plenty of info, such as this one:

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showpo...7&postcount=25

I also asked one of the wheel shops and the guy also told me so. That was more than one year ago.

[RC3]

Originally Posted by jxnco

Agree with Koby, at the end of the day, it's your car. Performance wise, the change is not proportional to the price as with every single thing in this world.

The way I chose my wheels, looks weighed in the most. Followed by price, and then performance the least. At the time, or even now, I still think Morr VS8.2 is the best choice considering all the factors. Of course if I had unlimited funds like Mlai, I would go for Morr MS8. IMO they are the best looking wheels for an F10 at the moment.

If I were you, I'd check out the Vertini Magic concave wheels. Very reasonably priced and looks a bit like the MS8s.

Originally Posted by mlai

What unlimited funds? You poisoned all of us into Morrs, jxnco!

I think mlai's Forged 1 split whatever is a good choice if it's still available.

[RC3]

Originally Posted by AC_S5

In order to take the poison, you need unlimited funds.

You don't see people like me take poison, right?

Bro, you have M sport wheels and aftermarket springs. So sort of.

[koby]

fair enough. didnt purchase the wheels based on where they were made or how much they were. the decision was based on the look and the weight. figure that so long its from a reputable manufacturer and the standards are made to precision specifications it really doesn't matter where they're made.

MIC is a part of our everyday life now no matter what your perceptions of quality are. electronics, appliances, macs and iphones (and pretty much everything in between) are made in china. chances are most of board members here in this section is also MIC too. HKSAR is still china in the end. haha

[grimlock]

koby, i just pulled the weight for breytons out of the air, maybe from what someone mention before.. so even beter if they are lighter
I choose my own rim because i fall in love with design, they are 27.8./29.3lbs for 19s which is quite heavy.. but no choice because i only like that look
But i have the lightest conti DW on the rear, only 25lbs so save some weight there .. the new PSS or whatever is also as light, thats a selling point

[AC_S5]

Originally Posted by RC3

Bro, you have M sport wheels and aftermarket springs. So sort of.

It's only 4% of what the car is worth. It's what you called a recommended dosage.