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12-05-2021, 06:32 PM | #749 |
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The brake meter on screen isn't that accurate compared to the real time data analytics coming from the car that the stewards can see.
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12-05-2021, 06:36 PM | #752 |
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It would be easier to see a trace on a graph, the speeds change so fast its hard to tell on a digital counter especially when they're doing triple digit speeds.
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12-05-2021, 06:51 PM | #753 | |
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Just allowing for the possibility VER didn't mash the brakes right prior to impact. No doubt he was playing games, making the overtake as disadvantageous as possible.
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12-05-2021, 06:56 PM | #754 |
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You can hear it though, watch Max feed on its own and as he drops to 3rd you can hear a significant change and drop in the revs which is when the brake is stabbed and the collision is caused. Forget what you see, listen and it’s clear as day.
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12-05-2021, 07:03 PM | #755 |
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can't wait to see the race next week.
It will be the 3rd race on Hamilton's Brazil PU, and I'm not sure how many on Max's engine. So it will be unknown if RB take the grid penalty or risk the engine failing or lack of power to keep up. But if RB take a penalty merc could take on for lewis as a response if needed, and that will give him another huge bump in power translating to another couple km/h difference. They could also trade this speed boost for more down force to try and match rb in the corners too, so the overall result will be closer cornering speeds with merc having a small advantage in the straights. But who knows what will occur, but if RB takes a grid penalty it will be alot of pressure on max.
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But also looks to me like Max may have actually picked up the throttle a split moment before impact. Just my conjecture -- Max wasn't intending to cause a collision. Was trying to create uncertainty and cause HAM to fumble the overtake process. Generally make it as unsmooth as possible while VER got the jump on acceleration allowing him to manage HAM's overtake. Ensuring he'd be on HAM's gearbox across the DRS line. At a minimum, VER pushing the limitations and spirit of giving the position back, to be sure....
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"The crash was a DRS fight" and a fight to get P2 ! HAM was very well aware that he got P1 back ..And that MAX had to let him overtake . But HAM didn't wanted P1 back there , 'NOT in the DRS detection/zone . That's why MAX braked the second time heavier , because MAX wanted to get P2 and so DRS as well . HAM said : I didn't knew what was going on . But he knew it very well , that's why he didn't wanted the lead (P1) there . HAM wanted P1 back but later and out of the DRS range .. In other words : HAM is a dirty liar with dirty tricks .. And MAX got the penalty for HAM's dirty tricks ! ... This is a shame for motorsports !
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what do the rules state on 'when' to give the place back ? is it Max's call when to allow lewis to pass ? or does lewis get to pick where he wants to get p1 back ?
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It's up the lead driver to do so in a reasonable timeframe. As Red Bull radioed Max to "strategically" give the position back.
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MAX's HONDA ICE was replaced in Russia . In other words : MAX ran already 7 races with his HONDA PU . Next weekend in Yas Marina that would be race number : 8
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12-05-2021, 07:43 PM | #762 |
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Well mate , seen my statement I haven't seen or heard that here ...Yet !
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One thing is for sure : Both were very well aware of the situation .. And the situation was a DRS fight !
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Hope for a cleaner race next weekend to close out this epic season.
I won't hold my breath, though. Unlike some of you guys I see both of these drivers as terribly sore losers willing to do absolutely anything to win Some Abu Dhabi race trivia: In 2016 HAM was leading ROS in the final stages of the race. HAM was driving some 9 seconds off the pace, defying team orders to resume race pace, and doing everything possible to feed ROS into a title destroying fight with?...
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Max is a dirt bag driver, and hes been doing this crap for years. We forget this Ocon incident a few years ago. Hes fast no doubt but hes an idiot on track and can't control his emotions. Its one thing to drive like a dick, its another to go after someone after a race. This isn't NASCAR...
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12-05-2021, 07:59 PM | #766 |
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If your data is reliable then that's 1/3 of a season on the engine, right around when an engine normally gets swapped out for a new one out of a 3 engine pool. That engines probably really beat up by now, so RB might need to change it. Probably a really bad idea to do so at the last race, idk I said before RB should've taken the penalty in Brazil as they'd still be ahead of Lewis and then they wouldn't have to worry about engines anymore.
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This thread is hardly a good source of advanced knowledge and/or racing opinion. It is great for entertainment and a good laugh though.
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Agreed it's a weekly bash thread on any driver that is not Max, especially targeting Hamilton. Really tiring and immature. Personal attacks on drivers, what they are wearing and totally useless lies and bullshit conspiracy theories..
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The points system has changed over the years so the comparison is flawed.
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Most of it is bashing Max and posts with Hammy sundresses.
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