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04-17-2010, 03:09 PM | #67 | |
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I've test driven the new F10 both with and without the VDC. On the first drive it was a car without the VDC and a to be honest the ride in that car was a bit disappointing. After reading about how wonderfully the new F10 was supposed to perform on the road, I couldn't tell any difference from the E60 I used to drive a couple of years ago. Then I switched to an F10 with VDC and it was a different car. Not only was the drive more relaxed, especially in the comfort mode, but also it also made the car feel much better built. The roads in Sweden are terrible this time of the year, but in the VDC car the imperfections of the road didn't "rock" the car like they can do.
I drive a 335d with M sport chassis, so I don't mind a firm suspension. But there is a huge difference in how the suspension can absorb the shocks. In the VDC car you could surely feel that you were passing over a hole or a bump, but everything was very smooth. In the non-VDC car, it felt like the suspension simply couldn't absorb the sound and shock caused by the bump. Not very premium, if you ask me. /Christian |
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Yes, thanks HighlandPete, await your update.
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04-17-2010, 06:56 PM | #70 |
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Yes, the same wheel size, 18", only difference was that the non-VDC had a manual gearbox and the other one a sport automatic. Both were 523i. You could argue that part of the difference was due to the automatic gearbox in one of them, but the difference in ride quality was beyond that.
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hi nfnc, with the sports transmission/steering wheel option only, I recall (if correctly) my SE commented that fuel consumption would go up if the f10 is on sport mode most of the the time. Also, would there be more wear and tear on the lower gears?
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04-18-2010, 05:44 AM | #73 |
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I wish BMW would provide us with fuller details on which combination of options better suites varying roads and driver preferences? The marketing terms applied to the technology add no meaningful explanation and the limited detail provided is worthless. The larger part of the discussions in this thread proves this.
Come on BMW, customers cannot test drive all the combinations, and most dealers will not have all, we need some guidance. I suggest a table of driver preference by suspension options would help. In comparison and as already published for paint/seat colour combinations, to help us avoid making huge mistakes when combining suspension and wheel options. Also, show the range of adjustablity, through colour coding, provided by the i-Drive and console buttons. These recommendation may also vary slight by market due to difference road types. BMW you're confusing your customers and dealers, please provide better information! Many of us here, will not order a new F10 until we are certain of our preferred ride/handling combinations. I could wait 12 months before knowing the best options or I could give up and defect to a Jag XF! In other words BMW you're loosing customers unless you provide clarity. BMW, there is no point in hiding behind the launch test drives anymore, the truth has emerged! F10's ride and handle badly due to poor selection of chassis/wheel/tyre options!
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I've just picked up the May issue of WhatCar? and been reading the comments on the full test, 530d against the Merc, Audi and Jag. Also the comments on a 535i. For the 535i, the headline is "New Five is only 'extras' Special" Quote:
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I've been in communication with a guy who went to one of BMW's "drive and compare" days, just yesterday, he found a standard issue 530d on 19" wheels, was less than what he expected. He says it showed some run-flat traits and felt as if it had very little suspension over some potholed roads. He also felt the steering very light and not how he would expect an expensive BMW to behave. So there's abit more to throw in the pot. We've been here before with the last generation E60/1 5-series. HighlandPete |
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Even the current cars, E60/1 and E9* when fitted with non run-flats are not always sorted, just with tyres. There is so much discussion on what wheels and tyre brands really sort the cars, what the car's build date is, whether standard or M-sport suspension, is the car pre or post facelift, etc. I know users who have tried the tyre solution and gone back to RFTs after a while, as the car is still not right, just different. Surely we don't want to be going down that route with a brand new model, one which is supposed to be getting BMW back on track? The standard offerings with normal tyres may be a complete mess with EPS, and be all over the place. May still need all the electronic gizmos to get a decent drive. HighlandPete |
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04-18-2010, 11:33 AM | #79 | |
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Also, in some European countries this will invalidate you insurance or may be illegal, as you must stick with the type approval, as the change will messes up the electronic (ABS, DSC etc) could even be extremely dangerous at higher speed (some tests have shown longer stopping distances with non-RFTs)
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We had an E60 with sport suspension and 16" non-RFTs its ride was superb and it also handled very well for its size. (I did this to avoid the early RFTs and lack of tuning on the E60 for them)
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Another little bit of information on wheel sizing.
The 535i car I tried, had 19" wheels from the factory. The garage tried a set of 20" wheels for the 'look' factor. The first customer to test drive the car came back and said the ride was awful. Sort of shocked the guys, so they sent out an experienced sales guy over the same route, he came back stating exactly the same thing. so they removed the 20" and put the 19" back on. So 20" will ruin the ride quality... but I guarantee loads of F10s will have 20" wheels fitted. Says something about how ride quality doesn't mean much, to many drivers, even when they have a price tag of £45k or more, for a car. I'm sure many will spend on the 'big' wheel option, rather than the Adaptive Drive. Even one of the 19" upgrades can be £2,260, compared to the £2,220 for Adaptive Drive, HighlandPete |
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I am not sure how the F10 will ride. I guess we have to wait for others to find this out with the non-RFT. My 335xi coupe rides amazing and handles great with my michelin pilot exaltos non-RFT tires as compared to the RFT.
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