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      05-07-2019, 11:22 AM   #1
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Arrow I remember the 2001 F1 Spanish GP

i remember like yesterday of '01 Spanish GP that Hakkinen lost the race 2km away from the finish line after dominating the race.. Mika lost his engine and so do i lost 5 years of my life at that moment still not recovered... )
and it was the race that caused Hakkinen to quit F1 afterwards..

was an easy bonus win for Schumi back in that time..





this year though.. for me it feels more like that season starts in Europe full power with upgrades and older tracks.. Ferrari just announced that they ll use new power unit for Spanish GP on the weekend.. hoping to see some fair racing this weekend..

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Good grief I hate these old videos, listen to those engines. F1 like many other things is just far worse than it used to be.
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F1 TV at least didnt pretend to be dead this time by this act..

"As you may know, we experienced some issues with the F1 TV service during our coverage of the Azerbaijan Grand Prix.

We want to apologise for the inconvenience caused and we’re working as quickly as we can to get these issues resolved for you.

Because of the problems you’ve been experiencing, we will be giving you a refund for 3.33 EUR to apologise. This will happen this week and it will be paid onto the card you subscribed with so there’s nothing you need to do.

Thanks for your patience and support.

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Good grief I hate these old videos, listen to those engines. F1 like many other things is just far worse than it used to be.
yeah i hear you.. i guess there wont be any other car that hurts peoples ears in future again..
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F1 TV at least didnt pretend to be dead this time by this act..

"As you may know, we experienced some issues with the F1 TV service during our coverage of the Azerbaijan Grand Prix.

We want to apologise for the inconvenience caused and we’re working as quickly as we can to get these issues resolved for you.

Because of the problems you’ve been experiencing, we will be giving you a refund for 3.33 EUR to apologise. This will happen this week and it will be paid onto the card you subscribed with so there’s nothing you need to do.

Thanks for your patience and support.

The team at F1"








yeah i hear you.. i guess there wont be any other car that hurts peoples ears in future again..

Lol, I sent f1 TV an angry email saying I want a refund for that shitty service.
They refunded me $5......
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Good grief I hate these old videos, listen to those engines. F1 like many other things is just far worse than it used to be.
There was nothing like a 3 liter V-10 @ 19,000 RPM....NOTHING; remember how decimated the audibles were when the new V-6 turbo hybrid iteratrion was released?? It was HORRIBLE....to the extent that F1 allowed modifying the exhaust to make it sound like a race car instead of an Uber.
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There was nothing like a 3 liter V-10 @ 19,000 RPM....NOTHING; remember how decimated the audibles were when the new V-6 turbo hybrid iteratrion was released?? It was HORRIBLE....to the extent that F1 allowed modifying the exhaust to make it sound like a race car instead of an Uber.
Tell me about it, it's so sad. Want to know how dumb I am? The first time I ever watched an F1 race live was in Monaco in the late 90s. I was in the city itself and being in my early 20s and knowing everything, I sat there with no ear protection on. When the cars came by for the first time, the sound was so incredibly loud it almost made me vomit. I had vertigo for the next 10-15 minutes and thought I had lost my hearing. I had never heard anything that loud prior, nor have I heard anything that loud since. The only thing close was near the end of turn 1 at the start of the race when they used to run F1 at Indy, but by then I was smart enough to have heavy duty ear protection on. It's almost impossible to relate to somebody the sound unless you experience it live, I didn't think anything could be that damned loud.

Nothing will ever sound like the V10s again, and that makes me very sad.
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Well said NickyC....

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Tell me about it, it's so sad. Want to know how dumb I am? The first time I ever watched an F1 race live was in Monaco in the late 90s. I was in the city itself and being in my early 20s and knowing everything, I sat there with no ear protection on. When the cars came by for the first time, the sound was so incredibly loud it almost made me vomit. I had vertigo for the next 10-15 minutes and thought I had lost my hearing. I had never heard anything that loud prior, nor have I heard anything that loud since. The only thing close was near the end of turn 1 at the start of the race when they used to run F1 at Indy, but by then I was smart enough to have heavy duty ear protection on. It's almost impossible to relate to somebody the sound unless you experience it live, I didn't think anything could be that damned loud.

Nothing will ever sound like the V10s again, and that makes me very sad.
Off-topic for this thread's Spanish GP talk, but on-topic regarding race car noise....I posted this in the "facts about top fuel dragsters" thread in this Professional Motorsports section....I know it's long, but this is my account of a life-long dream to stand at the start line of an NHRA Top Fuel Dragster launch....

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Nothing like a drag strip pit for kids to get close to the cars and we always went home full of food that was bad for us and t-shirts that the kids were never allowed to wear again. Sure, the World of Outlaws is good but there is nothing like the launch of a funny car except maybe a Shuttle or Falcon Heavy liftoff.

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PS-Even the Thunderbirds over the beach don't compare and that too is a great show. And Leo (RIP) at the Sussex Airshow gone too. Just composing this post makes me sad.

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The sound would be much better if they removed the fuel flow limits and let them turn a lot more revs.

I hate this idea that motorsports, F1 in particular needs to be green. The CO2 load from the cars PALES in comparison to all the shipping around the world for all the races by ORDERS OF MAGNITUDE.

It's so stupid.
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The sound would be much better if they removed the fuel flow limits and let them turn a lot more revs.

I hate this idea that motorsports, F1 in particular needs to be green. The CO2 load from the cars PALES in comparison to all the shipping around the world for all the races by ORDERS OF MAGNITUDE.

It's so stupid.
end of this month they ll decide on 2021 regulations.. and 99% it ll be no fuel flow limit + in race refueling ll be free again.. it ll boost things up for sure..
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end of this month they ll decide on 2021 regulations.. and 99% it ll be no fuel flow limit + in race refueling ll be free again.. it ll boost things up for sure..
What makes you think they are bringing back refueling?

It was originally done away with because the TEAMS didn't want inrace refueling because of the extra logistics, cost, and potential for mishaps.
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What makes you think they are bringing back refueling?

It was originally done away with because the TEAMS didn't want inrace refueling because of the extra logistics, cost, and potential for mishaps.
well for me at least fuel save is not a thing that any motorsports fan is happy about.. and when they put higher fuel flow rate it ll mean engines will consume more.. and with this regulations right now cars probably will need 40-50kg of additional fuel which ll bring them to limits an almost 1000kg of race start weight.. it ll be too much..

and another point is highly possible that MGU-H will be gone in 2021.. and the last big thing for me at least.. its F1 refueling was there for decades.. i dont want to see races with fuel saving or too heavy for not putting some good laps in race.. this one is more subjective though..
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well for me at least fuel save is not a thing that any motorsports fan is happy about.. and when they put higher fuel flow rate it ll mean engines will consume more.. and with this regulations right now cars probably will need 40-50kg of additional fuel which ll bring them to limits an almost 1000kg of race start weight.. it ll be too much..

and another point is highly possible that MGU-H will be gone in 2021.. and the last big thing for me at least.. its F1 refueling was there for decades.. i dont want to see races with fuel saving or too heavy for not putting some good laps in race.. this one is more subjective though..
So, what you're saying is, you haven't read anything suggesting these changes are going to happen......you're merely expressing the changes you'd like to see.

(Trust me I'd like to see refueling and no fuel flow limit, but I doubt it's going to happen.)

Remember there were times in F1 where they could refuel, but had to run the race on one set of tires. Now they can change tires, have to run at least two sets of tires that are different compounds (unless a wet race) but can't refuel.

The regs in F1 are always changing.


Personally I'd like to see a hard spending cap and the tech regs opened up. But that's not going to happen either.
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So, what you're saying is, you haven't read anything suggesting these changes are going to happen......you're merely expressing the changes you'd like to see.

(Trust me I'd like to see refueling and no fuel flow limit, but I doubt it's going to happen.)

Remember there were times in F1 where they could refuel, but had to run the race on one set of tires. Now they can change tires, have to run at least two sets of tires that are different compounds (unless a wet race) but can't refuel.

The regs in F1 are always changing.


Personally I'd like to see a hard spending cap and the tech regs opened up. But that's not going to happen either.
no its not like that.. there are some news about it.. Brawn wants to make things more fun also..

https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/a...4EmuSQkMe.html ..

https://motorsport.tech/formula-1/f1...ig-scarborough ..

https://www.skysports.com/f1/news/12...for-end-of-may ..

https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/14...-ground-effect ..
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was an easy win for Lewis.. but Ferrari's were way too slow here.. i guess there is not much smiles back in Maranello at the moment and at the track..
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was an easy win for Lewis.. but Ferrari's were way too slow here.. i guess there is not much smiles back in Maranello at the moment and at the track..
Yeah . While Ferrari got an engine upgrade , they looked slow today .
Max looked really fast today , he showed he was faster than Ferrari. That's why I'm sure that Red Bull made a big step forward with the Honda power source , but also with their Aerodynamics . Max was today pretty close to the Mercs as well !

So...Here is the man of the race , because he finished with his 3th. place on the podium .
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Max became a real racing driver in recent 10-15 races.. he passed 2 Ferrari's super neat and smart.. well done to him really.. he deserves Vettel's seat already starting from end of the last season..

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was pretty fun for LH guys..
i guess you really should blame Ferrari..
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Max became a real racing driver in recent 10-15 races.. he passed 2 Ferrari's super neat and smart.. well done to him really.. he deserves Vettel's seat already starting from end of the last season..
Indeed !
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Max became a real racing driver in recent 10-15 races.. he passed 2 Ferrari's super neat and smart.. well done to him really.. he deserves Vettel's seat already starting from end of the last season..



was pretty fun for LH guys..
i guess you really should blame Ferrari..
Max has really impressed me this year. He has matured into a thinking racing driver, a far cry from his early days.

Ferrari should get rid of Vettel asap and put Verstappen in his place.
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