[F87source]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

Marko believes RB is not treated the same as Mercedes.

He also believed mercede's more powerful engine doesn't matter at all. So he believes alot of crazy stuff.



Told you it wasn't the case, despite the small amount of power gain it will allow you to play with different aero packages without loosing too much speed. No it isn't jet mode like you guys believe it will be, but every single bit counts unlike marko saying it won't matter at all.

[Foghorn]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

Killer driver of the day

Killer driver indeed , that’s where this is headed, VER will take someone’s life before he comes to his senses.

[SteveChester]

Some crazy driving again from Max and he was penalised accordingly - as per previous post.

The older and wiser driver is going to win the title.

[TheBingoBalls]

If Red Bull received the call saying they had to give back the position to HAM, they should have done the same with Mercedes informing them that Red Bull was going to give HAM back the spot. At least HAM would be aware that at any given time, Red Bull would be ceding their position on track.

[Poiseuille]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

BS !!!
HAM's Rocket PU was 0.5/0.8 sec. faster . The Merc's Rocket pace was incredible !

20 laps MAX's defence was outstanding to stay out of HAM's DRS range .
But HAM's Rocket was so much faster and MAX didn't had a chance ..

If HAM's Rocket Warp-Speed remains so fast at Yas Marina , then it's over for MAX ...
Of course it has to be driven first ...and situations can change very quickly in F1

The only answer that Red Bull has is to swap MAX's PU to be faster at Yas Marina ..
The downside is a 5 P penalty , but how it looks like to get more pace I think they have to do it anyway ..

BTW : As I said , the Jeddah track is a cars graveyard !

hey Philippe, sorry your lad had a bad day, but regarding your BTW: I hate all street courses, including Monaco (which does however have good circus value). In some parts of this Country one can attend something called a Demolition Derby. I hate those also, and for pretty much the same reasons.
anyway, good luck next week.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by Foghorn

Killer driver indeed , that’s where this is headed, VER will take someone’s life before he comes to his senses.

No ones going to kill anyone lol there are too many rules and regs, too many penalties and someone else has said that Masi has to go, he's the wrong person to be running as race director.

[MontyB1]

So do we think if F1 moved back to gravel on the outside of corners than Max would still do these lunging defences or overtakes?

I’d love to see Max use his undoubted talents to race cleanly and fairly like nearly every other driver has managed. He is becoming classless in his driving with others and that’s a real shame.

The comments in this thread as so one sided one way or the other but if he just tweaked things more would like him for his talent rather than hate his lack of style.

This isn’t racing it’s dodgems sorry but he could and should be soooo much better, such a shame.

Crazy race, everyone else has their views on the other incident let’s see what the stewards say they are the ones with the data.

[F87source]

This is what Lewis had to say after the race.

"For me, I really had to try and just keep my cool out there, which was really difficult to do," Hamilton told Sky Sports. "I've raced a lot of drivers in my life, in the 28 years, I've come across a lot of different characters.

"There's a few at the top which are... yeah, over the limit. Rules kinda don't apply, or they don't think of the rules."

When asked to clarify if Verstappen fell into that category, Hamilton agreed, saying: "He's over the limit, for sure. I've avoided collision on so many occasions with the guy and I don't always mind being the one that does that, because you live to fight another day. Which I obviously did."


This is something Verstappen needs to learn, and it's the reason the title could be Hamilton's this year.

[kring]

Official announcement- it was max’s fault for the crash

Max Verstappen has been handed a 10-second penalty for causing a Turn 27 collision with Lewis Hamilton in the Saudi Arabian Grand Prix, plus two penalty points.

The reason: "In deciding to penalise the driver of Car 33, the key point for the Stewards was that the driver of car 33 then braked suddenly (69 bar) and significantly, resulting in 2.4g deceleration”

So Max did break-check Ham.

More comments from stewards: "Whilst accepting that the driver of Car 44 could have overtaken Car 33 when that car first slowed, we understand why he (and the driver of Car 33) did not wish to be the first to cross the DRS [line]. However, the sudden braking by the driver of Car 33 was determined by the Stewards to be erratic and hence the predominant cause of the collision and hence the standard penalty of 10 seconds for this type of incident, is imposed."

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by F87source

How do you know Hamilton wasn't flat out pushing it to the max, but Lewis was just better at keeping it on line? Because he knows Max is behind him and he cannot afford to not get pole, so he has to make sure he gives it his all just in case. So there's no way Lewis would have let it slide during qualifying.

Then with a broken front endplate, Lewis was still able to pull away from Max. Without an end plate the high pressure air can spill over the edge of the wing to mix with the low pressure air creating a vortex. This creates alot of drag slowing the car down and causes it to lose alot of down force as well, and since it was on one side it causes handling imbalances. So that takes alot of skill to manage.


Do I think Lewis is better in terms of raw speed vs. max? No I think they are very evenly matched. The place where Lewis is better is in terms of racecraft, because he has the ability to understand when to back off and when to fight - lose the battle to win the war. Max doesn't have that yet, maybe he never will with his agression, but that is what makes Lewis faster overall... If Lewis can win this season it will show you how good he really is.

Advice : Don't try too hard to be such a HAM preacher

[MontyB1]

Originally Posted by kring

Official announcement- it was max’s fault for the crash

Max Verstappen has been handed a 10-second penalty for causing a Turn 27 collision with Lewis Hamilton in the Saudi Arabian Grand Prix, plus two penalty points.

The reason: "In deciding to penalise the driver of Car 33, the key point for the Stewards was that the driver of car 33 then braked suddenly (69 bar) and significantly, resulting in 2.4g deceleration”

So Max did break-check Ham.

So Max really was as dirty and classless in his driving as we all thought then, he really needs to have a bloody long hard look at himself.

[SteveChester]

Totally pointless penalty to dish out though!

[F87source]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

Advice : Don't try too hard to be such a HAM preacher

Oh yeah for sure, because anyone who isn't pro max 110% of the time must be a ham preacher.

I'm not even focused on this season lol it's just for entertainment now, I'm thinking about 2022 and the new cars (what aero packages will look like, if wings will still be adjustable or if new wings are needed for different settings, what drs will looks like, how fast cars will be vs. this year, if the cars will be upset going over curbs and if down force will drop off suddenly and cause issues etc).

[ToddBlack88]

Stewards explain Verstappen decision
At turn 21 the driver of car 33 was given the instruction to give back a position to car 44 and was told by the team to do so “strategically”.
Car 33 slowed significantly at turn 26. However, it was obvious that neither driver wanted to take the lead prior to DRS detection line 3.
The driver of Car 33 stated that he was wondering why Car 44 had not overtaken and the driver of Car 44 stated that, not having been aware at that stage that Car 33 was giving the position back, was unaware of the reason Car 33 was slowing.
In deciding to penalise the driver of Car 33, the key point for the Stewards was that the driver of Car 33 then braked suddenly (69 bar) and significantly, resulting in 2.4g deceleration.
Whilst accepting that the driver of Car 44 could have overtaken Car 33 when that car first slowed, we understand why he (and the driver of Car 33) did not wish to be the first to cross the DRS.
However, the sudden braking by the driver of Car 33 was determined by the Stewards to be erratic and hence the predominant cause of the collision and hence the standard penalty of 10 seconds for this type of incident, is imposed.

[forza1976]

10 sec penalty. Still keeps 2nd. Eat it whiny ham

[MontyB1]

Originally Posted by SteveChester

Totally pointless penalty to dish out though!

Yeah it is but that’s probably all they could give maybe. Either way I think the team need to really look how they are handling him. He is being amped into these stupid desperate moves at every race now and they need to have some responsibility in that.

[F87source]

Originally Posted by ToddBlack88

Stewards explain Verstappen decision
At turn 21 the driver of car 33 was given the instruction to give back a position to car 44 and was told by the team to do so “strategically”.
Car 33 slowed significantly at turn 26. However, it was obvious that neither driver wanted to take the lead prior to DRS detection line 3.
The driver of Car 33 stated that he was wondering why Car 44 had not overtaken and the driver of Car 44 stated that, not having been aware at that stage that Car 33 was giving the position back, was unaware of the reason Car 33 was slowing.
In deciding to penalise the driver of Car 33, the key point for the Stewards was that the driver of Car 33 then braked suddenly (69 bar) and significantly, resulting in 2.4g deceleration.
Whilst accepting that the driver of Car 44 could have overtaken Car 33 when that car first slowed, we understand why he (and the driver of Car 33) did not wish to be the first to cross the DRS.
However, the sudden braking by the driver of Car 33 was determined by the Stewards to be erratic and hence the predominant cause of the collision and hence the standard penalty of 10 seconds for this type of incident, is imposed.

So max is the dirty driver then huh?

[SteveChester]

Anybody else think Masi isn't really up to the job?

Another mess really, confusion with Max/Ham and letting him past, offering up a grid swap to RB to see what they thought of it, Lewis double waved flags on the Sat that was an error etc

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by Poiseuille

hey Philippe, sorry your lad had a bad day, but regarding your BTW: I hate all street courses, including Monaco (which does however have good circus value). In some parts of this Country one can attend something called a Demolition Derby. I hate those also, and for pretty much the same reasons.
anyway, good luck next week.

It's OK . We'll see next weekend at Yas Marina .Thank you my friend

But : We need more power and pace ASAP !

[kring]

So how do the “2 points” come into play? Does Hamilton take the lead in standings now by 2 points?

[inTgr8r]

Originally Posted by forza1976

10 sec penalty. Still keeps 2nd. Eat it whiny ham

LOL, totally missing the point....

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by SteveChester

Anybody else think Masi isn't really up to the job?

Another mess really, confusion with Max/Ham and letting him past, offering up a grid swap to RB to see what they thought of it, Lewis double waved flags on the Sat that was an error etc

Masi is part of Mercedes .