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      12-06-2021, 02:35 PM   #837
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If YOU read it on the internet it must be true ?

He posted articles before that supposedly had irrefutable evidence of RB making a "cheater wing" and said that was fact. Upon opening the article the first line said it was the writer or host's theory of what was happening at RB. So he might only be reading head lines to pull quote.
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I think HAM was confused as to why Max slowed and he didn't trust Max not to try to hit him during the overtake. But regardless of anything HAM knew or didn't know, Max decided to swerve and slam on the brakes himself. Max is responsible for his actions and should've received a more harsh penalty for it. At least despite all of Max's dirty moves during the race... it was all for nothing as Lewis won anyway. Their gamble to put Max on mediums just so he could get off the line better did not pay off.
He wasn’t confused, Bono told him “FIA asked Max swap positions” well before the incident in car feed (note it has an embedded 3-5 sec delay). As far as whether he trusted Max not to hit him is largely irrelevant to my point about character.

No one has clean hands here, Hammy restart antics, bottas safety car antics and Hammy’s move to run Max of track after one of the restarts shows how this has denigrated into Sports Entertainment.

It’s not good vs evil, it’s a youth phenomenon vs a Wiley old fox. Everything on the planet goes through this. Nobody wants to kill anyone.
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He posted articles before that supposedly had irrefutable evidence of RB making a "cheater wing" and said that was fact. Upon opening the article the first line said it was the writer or host's theory of what was happening at RB. So he might only be reading head lines to pull quote.
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Itís not good vs evil, itís a youth phenomenon vs a Wiley old fox. Everything on the planet goes through this. Nobody wants to kill anyone.
Allow me to add It's not as black and white as some may be inclined to present it to be.
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what a joke^
You really do need to learn how to read telemetry data


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You have zero idea of what you are talking about .
Your yellow circle shows the sudden acceleration and you don't even know when or at what moment it was !

If you want to know at least 'something , just let me know !

Lots of talks and BS , zero knowledge ...
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what a joke^
You really do need to learn how to read telemetry data


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You have zero idea of what you are talking about .
Your yellow circle shows the sudden acceleration and you don't even know when or at what moment it was !

If you want to know at least 'something , just let me know !

Lots of talks and BS , zero knowledge ...
Yeah but the sudden acceleration and sudden deceleration line is max so I don't really see the point you're trying to make.

It clearly shows max accelerated then hard braked.
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I think HAM was confused as to why Max slowed and he didn't trust Max not to try to hit him during the overtake. But regardless of anything HAM knew or didn't know, Max decided to swerve and slam on the brakes himself. Max is responsible for his actions and should've received a more harsh penalty for it. At least despite all of Max's dirty moves during the race... it was all for nothing as Lewis won anyway. Their gamble to put Max on mediums just so he could get off the line better did not pay off.
He wasn't confused, Bono told him "FIA asked Max swap positions" well before the incident in car feed (note it has an embedded 3-5 sec delay). As far as whether he trusted Max not to hit him is largely irrelevant to my point about character.

No one has clean hands here, Hammy restart antics, bottas safety car antics and Hammy's move to run Max of track after one of the restarts shows how this has denigrated into Sports Entertainment.

It's not good vs evil, it's a youth phenomenon vs a Wiley old fox. Everything on the planet goes through this. Nobody wants to kill anyone.
Do you mind show us when and where Ham tried to "run Max off track"?

Agreed on Bottas's holding up though. It was funny how they (as a team) held people up and they complained about the red flag and their ability to change tires then…

I see those as the same as tire changing strategies and position changing within teams. Strategy is a big part of this game, and has always been (even more so when we had refuelling).

To say different kinda shows me that you don't know the sport very well? Maybe you do and just has a different opinion, which is fine. However, let's remember that it isn't just "drivers on their own being nice and allowing space and others pass when they have a faster pace". This isn't HPDE, or an open track day.

They'll still communicate with teams on radio, etc. it isn't just a one man show when it comes to racing at the highest level.
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Do you mind show us when and where Ham tried to "run Max off track"?

Agreed on Bottas's holding up though. It was funny how they (as a team) held people up and they complained about the red flag and their ability to change tires then…

I see those as the same as tire changing strategies and position changing within teams. Strategy is a big part of this game, and has always been (even more so when we had refuelling).

To say different kinda shows me that you don't know the sport very well? Maybe you do and just has a different opinion, which is fine. However, let's remember that it isn't just "drivers on their own being nice and allowing space and others pass when they have a faster pace". This isn't HPDE, or an open track day.

They'll still communicate with teams on radio, etc. it isn't just a one man show when it comes to racing at the highest level.
Strategy is great, the red flag restarts differ from initial race starts in that there appears to be no require minimum speed or car length distance during formation lap for red flag restarts, Hamilton is a master at exploiting this. A three word reference in the rules would correct this immediately (based on the printed regulations on my desk), silly FIA doesn’t address it immediately like the first MERC bendy wing saga.

Lap 43 is the hammy running Max off.

Consistent application of the rule starts with getting consistent application of the simple ones binary rules.

Simple rules

Double yellow flags is it 5 grid penalties, 3 grid penalties or no penalty
Race restarts can the non pole cars back up the grid? Seems like this is an easy one to police.
Distance between cars during formation laps, another easy one.
Distance between cars during yellow flags, easy to do.
Impeding, penalty or no penalty
Impeding and almost causing a crash, penalty or no penalty

More complex
Tire to tire racing - no chance getting this right if the above is a cluster.

One driver giving the position back 4 or 5 times plus a 5 sec penalty, plus another 10 sec penalty. Joke.

Comical application of the rules. Akin to any Sports Entertainment show, but not what should be happening in F1.

Some watch it for entertainment, some watch it for witnessing the impossible. I can’t blame anyone for enjoying it for the former, but that’s not me.
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LOL... and how well did VER handle the corners in quali
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Spot on Horner!

Go Max
Karen should teach Crash "weaver" how to drive in a straight line.
Not just in the corners
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Yeah but the sudden acceleration and sudden deceleration line is max so I don't really see the point you're trying to make.

It clearly shows max accelerated then hard braked.
It's OK, he understands but just can't bring himself to admit it.

vector up = accel
vector down = brakes
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LOL... and how well did VER handle the corners in quali
Lol. You are missing the point.

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Lol. You are missing the point.

maybe if you actually made a point??
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I think the only who's right in this whole thread is MKSixer…
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Do you mind show us when and where Ham tried to "run Max off track"?

Agreed on Bottas's holding up though. It was funny how they (as a team) held people up and they complained about the red flag and their ability to change tires then…

I see those as the same as tire changing strategies and position changing within teams. Strategy is a big part of this game, and has always been (even more so when we had refuelling).

To say different kinda shows me that you don't know the sport very well? Maybe you do and just has a different opinion, which is fine. However, let's remember that it isn't just "drivers on their own being nice and allowing space and others pass when they have a faster pace". This isn't HPDE, or an open track day.

They'll still communicate with teams on radio, etc. it isn't just a one man show when it comes to racing at the highest level.
Strategy is great, the red flag restarts differ from initial race starts in that there appears to be no require minimum speed or car distance, Hamilton is a master at exploiting this. A three word reference in the rules would correct this immediately (based on the printed regulations on my desk), silly FIA doesn't address it immediately like the first MERC bendy wing saga.

Lap 43 is the hammy running Max off.

Consistent application of the rule starts with getting consistent application of the simple ones

Simple rules

Double yellow flags. 5 grid penalties, 3 grid penalties, no penalties
Race restarts
Distance between cars during formation laps
Distance between cars during yellow flags
Impeding, no penalty
Impeding and almost causing a crash, no penalty

More complex
Tire to tire racing - no chance getting this right if the above is a cluster.

One driver giving the position back 4 or 5 times plus a 5 sec penalty, plus another 10 sec penalty. Joke.

Comical application of the rules. Akin to any Sports Entertainment show, but not what should be happening in F1.

Some watch it for entertainment, some watch it for witnessing the impossible. I can't blame anyone for enjoying it for the former, but that's not me.
What are you talking about "speed or distance behind the car"? Why does it matter to you if he's 10 cars behind max, 1, or 100?
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Yeah but the sudden acceleration and sudden deceleration line is max so I don't really see the point you're trying to make.

It clearly shows max accelerated then hard braked.
Listen mate ...
MAX got the order to let HAM by .We know that .. Fine !

"BUT"
Let HAM by in a strategic manner !

In other words :
Both (HAM and MAX) they were aware, the DRS zone was coming on the straight ..
To get and to keep P2 was the key there !

What followed was : "The Roadrunner" !
Do you understand ?

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Where did Max hit the wall again?
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LOL... and how well did VER handle the corners in quali
It's not necessary for HAM to shave the walls with millimeters to gain time and speed .
Shaving walls requires b@lls and HAM is too chicken anyway ..
HAM's Mercedes RocketShip pulled him to the pole ..Relaxed !
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What are you talking about "speed or distance behind the car"? Why does it matter to you if he's 10 cars behind max, 1, or 100?
School is closed until tomorrow. Feel free to reread for comprehension.
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