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07-09-2020, 10:57 AM | #45 | ||
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My point is, you're acting as if BMW is just trying to "mask the problem". They're trying to fix the problem. Weather or not the fixes work is a different matter, but they are genuinely trying. Also, it's not always the customer who pays. If something fails within the warranty period, it's probably not going to be the customer paying for it. The CCP for the N63 is a great example of BMW paying for the repairs. Quote:
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It's easy to call anything "anecdotal evidence" without providing other backup for your claim. You have strayed away from the original point I was making - all 63 variations have issues, whether it's just the N, TU or S - despite some people believing that the TU version is the silver bullet to the problems. As someone who has owned both, I can assure that it's not the case. I'd love to hear your opinion once you have owned both versions so that this can turn into an adult discussion as opposed to just an opinion from someone who has never owned either. Again, I am waiting on your statistics where you claim that newer version have a smaller failure rates when it comes to oil consumption. |
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07-09-2020, 11:33 AM | #48 |
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Could be. Keep in mind that there are hundreds of thousands of these cars sold, but you will not hear from the majority of the happy customers. This is especially true for BMW owners who I consider enthusiasts and are probably more opinionated when it comes to these things than just your regular car owners.
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So we'll leave it as you have no proof and are commenting on something you don't own. Do you work for BMW by any chance, where you are trying to protect them? |
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... gosh you're not the sharpest out there are you. Google what burden of proof is and maybe you'll understand why you're making yourself look like a dullard. Have fun with your personal anecdotes
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You're the type who pretends to know something about a subject based on opinions without having first hand experience. |
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The irony of you trying to imply that I just learned about what anecdotal evidence is, while you yourself constantly using it to try to back your own claims, is fucking gold. In fact, in that very response, you literally saying "I have more personal experience therefore I am right" is textbook! Just to see how far down the rabbithole you've gone, pray tell me, what was the claim I was trying to make that you're claiming to know more about?
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Also, how many people use the thin Mobil 1 5W-30 (A1/B1 - not LL01) in hot climates when an A3/B3 (LL01) oil should be used for the hot engine/turbo, like Castrol's 5W-30 (specific A3/B3 version) oil, Castrol 0W-30 (A3/B3), or all 0W-40 & 5W-40 oils. From the dozen or so oils I gathered specs on in a spreadsheet, all LL01 oils are at least A3/B3. Then, add that today, versus 2011, there are many more 0W-40 and A3/B3 oil options on the market due to the trend in turbo engines across all makes. So, market availability could have been another factor because an independent shop in 2013 (or even today) may use what oil that was/is easily available to them, even if that isn't an A3/B3 or LL01 oil. The lesson, there are many human (and non-human) error factors that could cause/contribute to engine failures besides engine design or manufacturing. Are there design or manufacturing failure point trends, sure. But even for a trend, say in a certain early year, could be explained by just the availability in oil selection (let alone change interval), not saying that it is, but it can contribute to the trend. What's the point? Data and data analysis is fuzzy at best for many reasons. Causes become cloudier. So, hopefully, these threads at least help owners become a little more informed of what to look for in maintaining, buying, or disputing an issue for their N55 equipped F10. BTW, a friend has a build date 10/2010 N55 535ix and no issues whatsoever. Going strong at over 145k miles. No mods.
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Here's also an interesting tidbit about BMW engine oils: Only group 3 oils can be officially approved by BMW. That's why so many high end oils like Red Line and Liqui Moly will have recommended, instead of approved. They use arguably better base stock (group 4 and 5) resulting in a better oil, but BMW will not approve those kind of oils.
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I'm not listening to one off cases, but something where you can statistically see a pattern. A person buying a used lemon without a PPI where no oil changes were done which results in engine issues would cause a false-positive which may indicate that something was wrong with the engine when in reality it's a maintenance issue. A person who has owned that same car since new for 5 years and did not have any issues is someone you can raliably get data from. By the way, I'm still waiting on those statistics from you. |
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BMW also started with the FE specs like LL-01FE in North America (for CAFE reasons) - who knows what the pattern might be there.
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I recently changed my Oil to Mobil1 0W-40 and can definitely tell the difference in how the car runs and performs.
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Interesting debate.....
Just happen to have a 2011 535xi with over 230K KM, which seems to have spun a rod bearing (hence how I landed on this thread, at least to the original posting from user Kmmitchct). No mods, regular maintenance, oil changes every 5k, etc etc. OFHG and VCG were replaced over 2 years ago. Have spent a few hours browsing and found quite a number of cases of early N55s failures, even a thread with an ongoing list of cases including 335s and X5s; can't say if that is (or not) statistically significant, but based on 15+ yrs of BMW ownership, certain issues become "common" and start showing up on these forums (e.g. like VCG, OFHG,..) so it *seems* that Rod Bearing may be one, unfortunately. Right now, trying to see what options do I have...fix?, replace engine? sell/part-out?..... :-/ Last edited by cals; 06-28-2022 at 02:38 PM.. |
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