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04-28-2024, 05:21 PM | #45 |
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Vote with your wallet like I did. Only the M2 or M3 could earn my dollars again, or one of the M CUVs for a future wifey.
Everybody I know with a non-M BMW couldn't care less about cars, they're badge enthusiasts and corporate knows this, hence the watered down driving dynamics the past 15 yrs. BMW still makes a world class chassis and powertrain, but there are so many layers of refinement you only notice said chassis and balance near the limits of the car. Otherwise they drive like any other comfort-oriented luxury car.
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04-29-2024, 06:53 AM | #46 |
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The driving feel of modern BMWs are awful—-even the M cars feel muted and distant. The non-M cars are no different than any other car now.
They sold out everything for sales numbers—-they’re no longer unique at all. Most of their lineup is now AWD, torque converted automatics, and just generic sedans and SUVs. The last GOOD 3-series I drove was an E92 328 and 335. The F series 3 series was HORRIBLE in every guise and the G series 3 series was a bit better but still totally devoid of any feel.
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There was an episode with the E39 M5, an M3 of the same era, and a few Japanese cars. The M5 finishes near the back of the pack. The driver said the same thing. Nice balance, and good to drive overall, but soft, comfy, and with quite a bit of body roll. The M3 won by a large margin vs. the rest, IIRC. |
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In reality, it always had a good dollop of body roll, was comfortable and fairly soft. Also worth noting is that the G30 series is often lighter than the E39. The G30 much larger car, but a car with an impressively light suspension and body. "Leergewicht" for an E39 540 here in Germany is about 1800 kg. A G30 540i with RWD comes in at 1670. Last edited by Neusser; 04-30-2024 at 11:13 AM.. |
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I should remember—I wrote that review way back then. So why does the reality surprise anyone today? |
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I'd say perhaps another reason is not that BMWs drive not as good, but other manufacturers have caught up over the years to deliver similar dynamics.
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04-30-2024, 06:49 AM | #54 |
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Get the kia.
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I've owned my E36 M3 for 20+ years now (it even outstayed my E46 M3). I encourage some of you to go drive these hero cars and see how they hold up vs what you remember. Prepare for disappointment. |
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My wife and I bought his and her 2011 E93 335i and 2012 E70 X5 35d Bimmers back in the day, and I guess these were the last and best of breed "every day" BMW's with that perfect balance of sport and comfort in the suspension, great feedback from their hydraulic power steering racks, and overall incredible combinations of performance and fuel efficiency.
They lost the plot with the Fxx cars. Loose and pinky light steering, base suspensions more suitable for a Buick than a BMW, tachometers that were noticeably out of sync with the engine especially on a cold shift, and an overall disconnected feeling with the cars. You could still get a properly driving BMW from this era, but had to check the right boxes for MSport/DHP suspensions, etc. BMW's explanation at the time was that they sold more cars in the Asian market and especially China, than all of Europe and North America combined. These were the preferences of that market, and so that's how they oriented the design of their cars towards super isolation and very light effort steering. I'll never forget the time I dumped a loaner F30 328i into my "high speed cornering test" at 80 mph. It was nearly a code brown moment. Another loaner F33 328i I had was an MSport with DHP and was far better. I had planned to swap my E93 335i for an F80 M3, but life got in the way and bought a Chevy Suburban instead, so have yet to check the M box. Basically the same price at the time too. Just picked up a CPO MY22 G05 X5 for mostly my wife to drive, and while I can't speak for other Gxx era cars yet, it's fantastic to drive even on base suspension. It's better overall than our E70, and way better than the F15 loaner I sampled years ago. Still in a state of disbelief that BMW put the adaptive dampers in all models, but just took out the different adjustments in the base, but that's what they did. Planning to add the MSport tune to it through the App to make corners a little more fun, but it's a fantastic vehicle as is. You feel special driving it, and like it's a special car to drive, which is how BMW's are supposed to feel. Hadn't felt that way about most of the Fxx series cars I drove, so we're quite pleased with it.
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Thanks! I could not for the life of me remember what show it was.
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As opposed to defending calling others delusional? Perhaps read the entire thread.
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