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      Today, 01:28 PM   #551
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It's possible that it's a total landslide. In either direction. Calling political races is like calling the stock market. Just ask HRC and all the millions who were certain it was hers for the taking. I'm not making any predictions on this one, other than the current chaos amongst the Dems will sort itself out and the party will align behind whomever the candidate is. Even if there's a "never sanders", "never Bloomberg", etc. movement right up to the convention. Post convention the party will align, just like the right did for Trump. Now what happens after that in the general, that's anyone's guess and where I'll refrain from trying to predict.

As for an 84 style repeat, I'm not so sure. Ronnie was a centrist who was able to appeal to the right and the independent middle. Has Trump dramatically increased his base since 2016? He certainly hasn't lost his base but has he grown it? I'm not so sure. He would have to significantly expand his base to pull off a 1984 style victory.
Here is the difference between what is going on with Trump in 2016 with regard to the GOP vs The DNC and their panel: The DNC has a history of manipulation of the results and has shown their hand with this, achieving questionable efficacy, in the primaries. Here's what we have had, thus far:

1. Super Delegate rules modified 2x
2. Requirements for primaries modified 2x
3. Vote Counting Shenanigans 2x.
4. Statements by the panelist stating that they would NOT abide by the votes of the people and drive it to a decision at the convention which will bring in what?!?! The Return of the Super Delegates!!

Because the DNC is soooooooooooo factionalized, unlike the GOP in 2016 which only had the Never Trumpers (Old Guard and neocons) and the more modern GOP-ers.

Whoever wins in the battle for the "soul" of the DNC will have 50 to 60 percent of the "united factions" pissed off.
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some say this is the guy most responsible for warping the brains of a generation of American students. i disagree. it's more like three generations and counting==>
The educational cancer that was Zinn. My X was a B.U. Graduate and was well to familiar with his BS. She didn’t take any of his classes but the talk was around about his beliefs and the capturing of naive college minds.

Zinn described himself as "something of an anarchist, something of a socialist. Maybe a democratic socialist."

And what does sanders call himself, Democrat socialist. If we remove that thin veneer of dem socialist underneath is anarchy to reach its goal of communism.
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It's possible that it's a total landslide. In either direction. Calling political races is like calling the stock market. Just ask HRC and all the millions who were certain it was hers for the taking. I'm not making any predictions on this one, other than the current chaos amongst the Dems will sort itself out and the party will align behind whomever the candidate is. Even if there's a "never sanders", "never Bloomberg", etc. movement right up to the convention. Post convention the party will align, just like the right did for Trump. Now what happens after that in the general, that's anyone's guess and where I'll refrain from trying to predict.

As for an 84 style repeat, I'm not so sure. Ronnie was a centrist who was able to appeal to the right and the independent middle. Has Trump dramatically increased his base since 2016? He certainly hasn't lost his base but has he grown it? I'm not so sure. He would have to significantly expand his base to pull off a 1984 style victory.
If anything Trump has strengthened his base with African Americans. When a candidate can have in his coalition African Americans AND White Supremacists () then you've got some referendum!

But really, Trump was much like Reagan as Reagan was not an establishment Republican; he had to take Bush Sr. to keep the establishment on his side. People seem happy with Trump, much like Reagan in '84 (I was there), which is why the comparison is pretty strong. The MSM hated Reagan as much as they do Trump (Trump just pisses them off more ). The easy tell is the analogy of Obama created Trump's economy and Reagan really didn't defeat the Soviets or really accomplish anything (we've seen that in the thread a few pages back). But in general when people are happy, especially economically happy like now, Trump is a tough choice to not make.

Then there's the Dems and their cheat-like-hell capability...
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"A great win for Bernie Sanders"
President Trump.

Hmmmmmmmmmm.
I see a move in play, Trump style.
Imo, he's going to try and get the Bernie bros somewhat on his side, for now, while also taunting them to go after the MSM and DNC.
They already know both are trying to kill Bernie off.

Sure sounds like Schiff was the leaker of RUSSIA for Trump and RUSSIA for Bernie. How is he still in these meetings?
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Valid points Efthreeoh and MKSixer. We are in for an entertaining year, that's for sure. As always the huge unknown wildcard will be folks who didn't vote in 2016 who now will and folks who voted in 2016 who will now stay home. Makes these things impossible to call.

The Dems are swinging about as far left as one can go as an answer to Trump and I think that's a yuuuge mistake. Even my lefty leaning ass agreed with many of Trumps policies and decisions, especially the ones that are never reported on by the MSM. I often find myself learning of something he's signed where I think "yeah, I'm totally down with that. Good job." Of course crickets from the media. As others have said it's his outbursts and demeanor that really turn me off. It's embarrassing and honestly I just don't think he's got the mental capacity to run the country. But what really terrifies me about another 4 years of Trump is his penchant to surround himself with sycophants and a yes men, as well as people who are so unqualified for their positions as to put this county in danger. Trump's narcissism requires him to be the smartest person in the room at all times and that's a pretty low bar to measure up against. I worry we are stacking the deck with inexperienced morons who can't or won't balance out Trumps often irrational whims.
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Valid points Efthreeoh and MKSixer. We are in for an entertaining year, that's for sure. As always the huge unknown wildcard will be folks who didn't vote in 2016 who now will and folks who voted in 2016 who will now stay home. Makes these things impossible to call.

The Dems are swinging about as far left as one can go as an answer to Trump and I think that's a yuuuge mistake. Even my lefty leaning ass agreed with many of Trumps policies and decisions, especially the ones that are never reported on by the MSM. I often find myself learning of something he's signed where I think "yeah, I'm totally down with that. Good job." Of course crickets from the media. As others have said it's his outbursts and demeanor that really turn me off. It's embarrassing and honestly I just don't think he's got the mental capacity to run the country. But what really terrifies me about another 4 years of Trump is his penchant to surround himself with sycophants and a yes men, as well as people who are so unqualified for their positions as to put this county in danger. Trump's narcissism requires him to be the smartest person in the room at all times and that's a pretty low bar to measure up against. I worry we are stacking the deck with inexperienced morons who can't or won't balance out Trumps often irrational whims.
Very much agreed on this. To add to it, I fear how he acts during a recession. My view is that whomever is in the Oval Office over the next 4 years is going to have a recession on their hands and he just doesn’t strike me as having the temperament or knowledge to deal with it rationally.
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Even my lefty leaning ass agreed with many of Trumps policies and decisions, especially the ones that are never reported on by the MSM.
Probably because the left ran on some of those same policies for MANY MANY years and only just recently jumped off the deep end and went SUPER left.

Example immigration: https://www.npr.org/2019/02/19/69480...nged-the-party

https://apps.npr.org/dailygraphics/g...tion-20190208/

The Dems require the POC/immigrant vote to win an election. Thus they pander to them.
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and he just doesn’t strike me as having the temperament or knowledge to deal with it rationally.
You mean like closing our borders to over three weeks ago to chinese
or challlanging china on stealing our secrets
or cutting illegal immigration
or defeating Isis
or getting us out of a failed iran deal
or recognizing the capital of Israel
or taking the fight of syria
or getting NATO to pay their fair share
or getting a better deal with Mexico/Canada
or getting Mexico to police their norhtern and southern boarder
or getting ready for a big deal with India
or getting world leaders to know we are not giving the farm away likke ODumbo
or actually showing blacks that he cares about them
or cutting regulations and red tape
or pushing to have our military beyond world class-soldiers love him
or partnering with police instead of trying to prosecute them like ODumbo
or getting ICE to effectively take out illegal criminals
or engagind centeral american countries to try to solve them fleewing north
or trying and succeding to get more countries to invest ion the U.S.
or motivating Americans to feel Proud of our accomplishments.
or supporting Americans to have the right to protect themselves

I could go on but I am going shooting right now.

I doubt if any off the Dim candidates supports 5% of this and none could accomplish any of it. I thank God I made decent use of the brain I was given.

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Valid points Efthreeoh and MKSixer. We are in for an entertaining year, that's for sure. As always the huge unknown wildcard will be folks who didn't vote in 2016 who now will and folks who voted in 2016 who will now stay home. Makes these things impossible to call.

The Dems are swinging about as far left as one can go as an answer to Trump and I think that's a yuuuge mistake. Even my lefty leaning ass agreed with many of Trumps policies and decisions, especially the ones that are never reported on by the MSM. I often find myself learning of something he's signed where I think "yeah, I'm totally down with that. Good job." Of course crickets from the media. As others have said it's his outbursts and demeanor that really turn me off. It's embarrassing and honestly I just don't think he's got the mental capacity to run the country. But what really terrifies me about another 4 years of Trump is his penchant to surround himself with sycophants and a yes men, as well as people who are so unqualified for their positions as to put this county in danger. Trump's narcissism requires him to be the smartest person in the room at all times and that's a pretty low bar to measure up against. I worry we are stacking the deck with inexperienced morons who can't or won't balance out Trumps often irrational whims.
I've not seen where he's actually been irrational and acted on a whim. Had both Republicans and Democrats worked with Trump instead of against him, we might actually have been better off.
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I've not seen where he's actually been irrational and acted on a whim. Had both Republicans and Democrats worked with Trump instead of against him, we might actually have been better off.
Well our political pre-dispositions will certainly cause us to see the same thing and draw two different conclusions. You'll not convince me he's intelligent, not a narcissistic, not impulsive, and mentally stable any more than I'll convince you of the contrary. So, we will simply have to agree to disagree.
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