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      07-06-2022, 11:42 PM   #485
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Lexus has had a fair number of dynamically good (often better than the contemporary BMW :cough: F30 :cough: ) for a while now.
Driving a lexus and the competitive BMW back to back is like sleeping with the ugly fat kid in your class and a pornstar for comparison. The ugly fat kid can get the job done, but is no where near as much fun, or as fast.

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      07-07-2022, 08:25 AM   #486
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It's not. It just comes with soul and cutting edge driving dynamics.

Take a Mercedes S class for example. Typically, unreliable piece of GARBAGE. But almost every SINGLE new feature that appears on mainstream cars appeared on an S class FIRST.

Does that make it a great car? No. But the damn thing just oozes class and "newfangledly" cool stuff to try out.

I'm not saying unreliability comes as a good thing. It doesn't. But it does come when you are TRYING new things.

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      07-07-2022, 10:36 AM   #487
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If the F30 was a pornstar, it was late era Bonnie Rotten.
I'll go along with that. With a full body condom, and no way to get caught, would you have a go?

Yeah, that's what I thought.

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The Stockholm Syndrome is strong with you.
So it is. I preached against BMW's for eons, until 2014 after my Impreza got stuck in the snow because of inadequate ground clearance.

Best small SUV at that time with all the "things" was a 2014 x1. Have bought little other than BMW's since, and most of the "other" cars have been massive disappointments in one way or the other. Loved the other BMW's and let them go only for lifestyle or utility reasons. None of them are or were perfect, but they sure are damn good drivers cars.

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      07-07-2022, 11:52 AM   #489
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I'll go along with that. With a full body condom, and no way to get caught, would you have a go?

Yeah, that's what I thought.

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I have zero desire to ever have another go in an F30. If I knew what I was getting into, wouldn't have bothered with the first driving experience.
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So it is. I preached against BMW's for eons, until 2014 after my Impreza got stuck in the snow because of inadequate ground clearance.

Best small SUV at that time with all the "things" was a 2014 x1. Have bought little other than BMW's since, and most of the "other" cars have been massive disappointments in one way or the other. Loved the other BMW's and let them go only for lifestyle or utility reasons. None of them are or were perfect, but they sure are damn good drivers cars.

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That literal 1" made a difference, not the tires between the two?
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      07-07-2022, 12:35 PM   #491
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That literal 1" made a difference, not the tires between the two?
Unfortunately for a 2012 Impreza compared to a 2014 X1, regardless of whatever differences are quoted in the book, the difference in the center of the car was about 3".

When my impreza got stuck, it high centered. None of the tires were able to get full traction. I have a job where getting there is not optional, and its time pressure as well. Couldv'e been tank tracks and wouldn't have helped.

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I have zero desire to ever have another go in an F30. If I knew what I was getting into, wouldn't have bothered with the first driving experience.
I wasn't referring to the F30. I was referring to Bonnie Rotten.

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      07-10-2022, 05:14 AM   #493
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I know someone with a Tesla who lives out of town, no road tax, no servicing? really, a charge point in the driveway convenient to their lifestyle with a laser light show to cheer you up. The scuttle is so low that I was praying it won't go under something if the brake fluid boiled and the battery longevity is a big question mark, I'm also seing more Tesla's on breakdown trucks.
Great when new but what happens when time goes on and the battery cries enough, it simply goes on the ever mounting problem of a huge mountain of rising scrap and of course the propensity for the batteries to ignite at any given moment.
The recent car transporter ship burning carrying EV's off Portugal then sinking causing environmental catastrophe for marine life is more trouble than it's worth.
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      07-10-2022, 12:06 PM   #494
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The recent car transporter ship burning carrying EV's off Portugal then sinking causing environmental catastrophe for marine life is more trouble than it's worth.
They are actively clearing massive tracts of rain forest in the Philippines to mine Nickel for EV batteries. How green is that? I'm all for making EV's the next mode of transportation, but we need to slow down and not be stupid about it.
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I am not really an EV fan after quite considerable research and driving. I think Tesla has done a lot to usher in adoption but the convenience and range just isn’t there. If you are strictly an urban driver and can charge overnight at home, then it can work. But if you drive like I do, lots of longer drives or mixed driving, then no it’s not really feasible. The only car I have been tempted by is the Porsche Taycan so far, but just doesn’t have the range. Cold temps affect all EVs and slow battery longevity decline is a thing. So you will never get as good range as you did when you first bought the car. I am waiting for the Macan EV to come out as I believe it will have more range and will be Porsches second generation of EV. I love the Macan platform, having owned a Turbo, so want to see what it will be like.
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Good point about the shrinking gas tank that all EVs have as a built-in feature.
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      07-11-2022, 07:31 AM   #497
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They are actively clearing massive tracts of rain forest in the Philippines to mine Nickel for EV batteries. How green is that? I'm all for making EV's the next mode of transportation, but we need to slow down and not be stupid about it.
But that suburban mom/dad driving little Timmy and little Tammy to private kindergarten in her/his Tesla won't be polluting their evergreen suburban neighborhood. Win!
/scarcasm
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      07-11-2022, 09:42 AM   #498
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The biggest thing holding me back from buying an EV is the fact that nearly all available right now are first generation EV's and I feel like by the next generation the battery performance and durability will be significantly better.

In the future, the resale of current generation EV's will be dismal.
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They are actively clearing massive tracts of rain forest in the Philippines to mine Nickel for EV batteries. How green is that? I'm all for making EV's the next mode of transportation, but we need to slow down and not be stupid about it.
Lets not forget the child slave labor involved too, Sharon driving her kid to school in a Tesla ought to think about that too.
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They are actively clearing massive tracts of rain forest in the Philippines to mine Nickel for EV batteries. How green is that? I'm all for making EV's the next mode of transportation, but we need to slow down and not be stupid about it.
Lets not forget the child slave labor involved too, Sharon driving her kid to school in a Tesla ought to think about that too.
It's true that issues such as child labor should be addressed, but we can't fail to address climate change because of it. Such issues are not uncommon and not exclusive to mining.
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They are actively clearing massive tracts of rain forest in the Philippines to mine Nickel for EV batteries. How green is that? I'm all for making EV's the next mode of transportation, but we need to slow down and not be stupid about it.
Lets not forget the child slave labor involved too, Sharon driving her kid to school in a Tesla ought to think about that too.
It's true that issues such as child labor should be addressed, but we can't fail to address climate change because of it. Such issues are not uncommon and not exclusive to mining.
Do you Own any Nike products? The child labor stuff is overlooked by Many people!! It's crazy out there
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They are actively clearing massive tracts of rain forest in the Philippines to mine Nickel for EV batteries. How green is that? I'm all for making EV's the next mode of transportation, but we need to slow down and not be stupid about it.
Lets not forget the child slave labor involved too, Sharon driving her kid to school in a Tesla ought to think about that too.
It's true that issues such as child labor should be addressed, but we can't fail to address climate change because of it. Such issues are not uncommon and not exclusive to mining.
Do you Own any Nike products? The child labor stuff is overlooked by Many people!! It's crazy out there
Yes. It's tough. And we have to be careful about our responses. In one incident, pressure to address child labor resulted in a foreign manufacturer having to lay off a bunch of kids and it led to some very unsavory and sad results. Worse than making sneakers.
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1. The future is EVs

2. EVs are crap

Thus,

3. The future is crap
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But that suburban mom/dad driving little Timmy and little Tammy to private kindergarten in her/his Tesla won't be polluting their evergreen suburban neighborhood. Win!
/scarcasm
Accounting for the carbon that is in our power grid, a recent study has shown that a new Hummer EV produces more co2 per mile than a gasoline Malibu.

https://gmauthority.com/blog/2022/07...-study-claims/


Before we claim false figures or fuzzy math, consider this :

GMís statement did not refute the studyís findings, which alleged the GMC Hummer EV technically emits 341 grams of C02 per mile driven.
https://gmauthority.com/blog/2022/07...llution-study/


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1. The future is EVs

2. EVs are crap

Thus,

3. The future is crap
From same GM article :
Instead, it points out the Hummer EVís ability to attract customers who may not typically buy a battery-powered vehicle, ideally helping drive EV adoption in North America.

Yes indeed, the future is crap...
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It's true that issues such as child labor should be addressed, but we can't fail to address climate change because of it. Such issues are not uncommon and not exclusive to mining.
going green by doing something very un-green isn't the kind of change I want to see.

Like buying shoes for unfortunate kids that have no shoes, when those shoes where made by even less fortunate "shoeless slave children" elsewhere. What are you really accomplishing?

Buying shoes because you need them or you like the style is one thing. Buying them from dubious sources because you want to help others facing dubious circumstances is not getting the kind of change you want. It's just shifting the harm to where you can't see it, and feeling good about it.

For some it's virtue signaling, others "just want to do their part", others still are simply following a herd. Ignorance probably accounts for the balance. I only hope to address ignorance.
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But that suburban mom/dad driving little Timmy and little Tammy to private kindergarten in her/his Tesla won't be polluting their evergreen suburban neighborhood. Win!
/scarcasm
Accounting for the carbon that is in our power grid, a recent study has shown that a new Hummer EV produces more co2 per mile than a gasoline Malibu.

https://gmauthority.com/blog/2022/07...-study-claims/


Before we claim false figures or fuzzy math, consider this :

GM’s statement did not refute the study’s findings, which alleged the GMC Hummer EV technically emits 341 grams of C02 per mile driven.
https://gmauthority.com/blog/2022/07...llution-study/


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1. The future is EVs

2. EVs are crap

Thus,

3. The future is crap
From same GM article :
Instead, it points out the Hummer EV’s ability to attract customers who may not typically buy a battery-powered vehicle, ideally helping drive EV adoption in North America.

Yes indeed, the future is crap...
Not exactly shocking right now as we have limited renewables powering the grid. A grid with greater renewable or nuclear energy changes the CO2e. EVs can be an important part of decreasing GHG emissions particularly as more renewables come online.
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