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      12-05-2019, 02:46 PM   #23
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6 Series GT - what a non sense!
Some of the worst decisions made recently by BMW...
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Who is buying all these cars with the big fat ugly grilles?
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6 Series GT - what a non sense!
Some of the worst decisions made recently by BMW...
I really hope they give up with these awful GT's, although it seems they'll just blend the GT design language into the new GC's... maybe that's why the rear end of the 2GC looks abnormally tall, almost reminiscent of the original 5GT. They do look awfully similar
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It's true that the sedan is far from dead.

That said, BMW sold about 500 fewer passenger cars this November than they did last November, but over 3000 more light trucks. So the trend away from cars is very much alive.
if BMW had produced a 2 series sedan in the last 5 years... that 500 car drop wouldn't even be occurring.

you can't sell that which you choose not to make.

BMW sells more sedan than coupe at every model level, whether it is a car or an X model. Based on your comments, Hell they sell more 4 series " gran coupes" than actual 2 door 4 series coupes. The decision by BMW to decline to produce a 1er or 2er sedan for a decade in the US is simply stupefying.

instead... Mercedes scooped up all those sales with the CLA and then doubled down with the A class

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Apparently BMW and Merc are neck in neck in total sales for 2019, if Merc doesn't sell ~2500 cars more than BMW in December, BMW will be able to take back the place of the #1 Luxury Automaker for the first time in years. Although anything can happen, especially since Merc beat BMW for November sales by >2000. It also seems Lexus is taking 3rd place from Audi.
If BMW loses to Mercedes again this year for the luxury vehicle sales crown... it will be due to a lack of SEDANs, not SUV/SAV.... which will be consistent with the reason they lost the #1 luxury automaker sales crown in the US three years ago.

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Merc sold more than 1400 S Class models in November
Wow. double the # of 7 series sold by BMW. I wonder what the Mercedes sedan vs SUV product mix is..

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Wow. double the # of 7 series sold by BMW. I wonder what the Mercedes sedan vs SUV product mix is..
Like BMW, they sell a lot more SUVs:
GLC : 7515;
GLE : 6052;
GLS: 2893.
A little bit better than X family.
But they also sold G Class: 1309 pcs. No BMW rival and it's in the superior price range...
For the sedans, they sold:
A Class: 1544;
CLA: 1641. Here Merc has a big advantage also for December sales.
C Class: 4469, but it's at the end of life cycle
E Class: 3689;
S Class: 1452.

It will be a very close result at the end of December
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Impressed by 7 series. Especially considering many here think big grills won't sell. It looks like 7 series sales have increased both YTD and monthly.
Cash on the hood?
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6 Series GT - what a non sense!
Some of the worst decisions made recently by BMW...
I have never seen one in Germany either..
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if BMW had produced a 2 series sedan in the last 5 years... that 500 car drop wouldn't even be occurring.
I agree that is likely true. Still, even if they manage to move more 2GC than Mercedes A/CLA and Audi A3/S3, they’ll still be selling more SAVs than cars. However, the added volume would indeed put their total comfortably in front of Mercedes all else being equal. But remember, Mercedes has added the GLB now so that could keep things close. It’ll be another exciting race to watch in 2020.
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Looks like 4 Series GC sales (which make up the vast majority of 4 Series sales) are really starting to slide as more and more BMW car buyers favor the new G20 3 Series Sedan with the latest design language and technology over the elegant lines of the aging F36 4 Series Gran Coupe.
4GC production has been slashed drastically starting at the beginning of the year. Still sells, just less inventory.
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Now THATS impressive!
Led by the X7, Z4 and 8.

These cars were not around last year! Not impressive to increase sales by adding new product. Sure, it's a way, but not impressive. Impressive if you grow a segment YoY.
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Great numbers. Impressed by the 3 Series figures.
Last year the 2018 3-series was on its way out. Production was down for the 2018 and the 2019 was pushed a month. The 2019 is not popular, just higher availability compared to the 2018 availability last year.
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meanwhile in Australia (2019)

Breaking down Australian car sales statistics by manufacturer reveals Audi's sales are down 11.8 per cent so far this year, with Land Rover (down 23.1 per cent) BMW (down 2.4 per cent), Mercedes-Benz (down 13.1 per cent), Lexus (down 0.2 per cent) all feeling the pain.
In fact, of the major premium brands, it's really only Alfa Romeo that has recorded positive growth year on year, owing mostly to the small base expected of a recently launched brand.
Overall, 2019 has seen the lowest volume of car sales since 2009.

BMW has had a lesser decline compared to arch rivals Merc and Audi.

Interestingly, there are 775 motor vehicles per 1000 people in Australia, only next to US (822).


Full article: https://www.carsguide.com.au/car-adv...-figures-70982
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4GC production has been slashed drastically starting at the beginning of the year. Still sells, just less inventory.
I wanted a 4GC to replace my 6GC, but next to the G20 I just couldn't. I didn't want to wait another year or two either
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6 Series GT - what a non sense!
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I thought 6GT did well enough for them to continue
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Who is buying all these cars with the big fat ugly grilles?
The really ugly grills haven't rolled out just yet. would be interesting to compare Nov 19 vs Nov 20 (next year). I am pretty confident, it will be the death of 4 series.
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Time after time "BMW light trucks" saving BMW brand sales.
BMW light trucks are part of the brand and it happens to be the favored market segment of today's car buyers. BMW could offer the finest cars on the planet and their light trucks would still outsell them as consumers prefer SUV's. If you are going to throw shade at BMW you may as well call Porsche a light truck company as their ratio of SUV's sold vs cars is much, much higher.
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4GC production has been slashed drastically starting at the beginning of the year. Still sells, just less inventory.
I'm sure. It's an older model with tapering demand, so that does not surprise me at all. No doubt BMW has helped the situation by making the G20 the more attractive buy financially, too. Either way, the result is the result: as of yet, no increase in total car sales due to the G20, just a partial mitigation of decline. As discussed above, the F44 could be the ticket though, and I think that the G30 LCI will also spark an uptick there too. I still doubt we'll see BMW cars outsell BMW SAVs next year (note that you have to subtract the X1/X2 from the passenger car category and add it to the light truck category in order to get car vs. SAV sales).

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I thought 6GT did well enough for them to continue
The 6GT is history in the US; MY2019 was the end. By looking at the monthly 6 Series numbers since they finally cleared out the remaining stock of the 6GC (and any lingering coupes and convertibles too I suppose), it has been clear just how poorly this model sells here.

For RoW, it will get an LCI next year with the G30 5 Series and remain on the market for the rest of its originally planned cycle. After that, it will be discontinued and there will be no more GT models.
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Last year the 2018 3-series was on its way out. Production was down for the 2018 and the 2019 was pushed a month. The 2019 is not popular, just higher availability compared to the 2018 availability last year.
I'm a CA so I'm aware of that. I'm speaking to almost doubling the sales from last month, up from 4200 in September, and almost 4000 in August.
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The 6GT is history in the US; MY2019 was the end. By looking at the monthly 6 Series numbers since they finally cleared out the remaining stock of the 6GC (and any lingering coupes and convertibles too I suppose), it has been clear just how poorly this model sells here.

For RoW, it will get an LCI next year with the G30 5 Series and remain on the market for the rest of its originally planned cycle. After that, it will be discontinued and there will be no more GT models.
I mean 6GT in Europe or elsewhere, some car just aren't going to sell int he US
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M-B just reported November results, 337k Mercedes-Benz and smart cars sold in NAFTA, down 1% vs 2018 for the eleven month period.

https://www.daimler.com/investors/ke...hly-sales-mbc/
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I mean 6GT in Europe or elsewhere, some car just aren't going to sell int he US
Like I said, even in RoW, there will be no more GTs after the current ones finish out there cycle. It’s true that they sold better in some other regions than in the US, but they are still very low volume and BMW can’t justify another generation.
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