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      06-18-2019, 04:13 PM   #1
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Affordable Brake Upgrade

E60 m5 Brake calipers bolt onto f10 spindles without any modification!
The e60 M5 use a 2 piston caliper and a bigger brake pads.
ALL F10 use a single piston caliper(excluding the m5)

All you need are f01 Front rotors + pads. They will bolt on and even clear stock 19" 351 M sport wheels.
The only thing is you need to pay attention where the wheel weighs are. If they are too close to the spoke of the wheel, It could scrape the caliper.

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      06-18-2019, 04:45 PM   #2
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Its good to know but not sure what the benefit is since you can always easily upgrade to 550i/650i/750i front brakes or even 760i front brakes. The calipers and brake pads for the 760i are the same outer diameter as e60 m5 but has more surface area and a much bigger pad.

With the e60 brake calipers, I'd want to understand if any other module needs to be upgrades like the brake pump.

Have you tried putting the e60 rotor on it? That might be the only reason to attempt this conversion as the e60 m5/m6 rotors are cross drilled and two piece.
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      06-18-2019, 04:56 PM   #3
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Its good to know but not sure what the benefit is since you can always easily upgrade to 550i/650i/750i front brakes or even 760i front brakes. The calipers and brake pads for the 760i are the same outer diameter as e60 m5 but has more surface area and a much bigger pad.

With the e60 brake calipers, I'd want to understand if any other module needs to be upgrades like the brake pump.

Have you tried putting the e60 rotor on it? That might be the only reason to attempt this conversion as the e60 m5/m6 rotors are cross drilled and two piece.
The 550I/650I/750I/ all use a single piston caliper.
The 760li is a nice option, but good luck finding the even being remotely cheap. The e60 m5 calipers can be had for roughly $250

Their is no need to upgrade the brake pump, Many people install f10 m5 calipers(which are 6 pistons) without any known issues.

The e60 m5 rotors do not work at all due to the offset of the center hub to the rotor is much different.

This is a great upgrade, More even pressure against the rotor could provide more contact area for the pads, meaning more braking force.


E60 M5 calipers use a dual Piston Caliper. Each piston is 42mm(84MM combined)
the Alpina is still a single piston 60mm piston. So the piston size alone is about 40% bigger.

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      06-19-2019, 12:23 PM   #4
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E60 M5 calipers use a dual Piston Caliper. Each piston is 42mm(84MM combined)
the Alpina is still a single piston 60mm piston. So the piston size alone is about 40% bigger.
Unfortunately another example of a failed education system

Two 42mm pistons have a combined surface area of 2771 square mm.

A single 60mm piston has a surface area of 2827 square mm.

They're essentially the same.
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      06-19-2019, 03:14 PM   #5
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Unfortunately another example of a failed education system

Two 42mm pistons have a combined surface area of 2771 square mm.

A single 60mm piston has a surface area of 2827 square mm.

They're essentially the same.
No need for the disrespect or attacks.

So why do the e60 m5 come standard with 2 piston calipers? Why are the e60 m5 brakes designed to stop the car at 180+ mph? Granted I know they have a different rotor.
I compared the size of the e60 m5 pads to the f01 pads, and they are bigger as well.

If I'm wrong, please educate me. Not trying to start a pissing match or a war among anyone, Just trying to help the community.

I currently have f01 brakes on my f10. Ive had the e60 m5 caliper laying around for a while and was experimenting.

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      06-20-2019, 09:53 AM   #6
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Do some tests to compare brake fade. With some more data might be a viable upgrade
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      06-21-2019, 04:21 AM   #7
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Number of brake Pistons are more marketing than performance. Nearly always the limiting factors in braking are tire grip, and size of rotor for repeated stops (heat rejection). Multiple pistions can help feel, but actual performance....

Also heavier calipers add unsprung weight..
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      06-27-2019, 06:38 PM   #8
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No need for the disrespect or attacks.

So why do the e60 m5 come standard with 2 piston calipers? Why are the e60 m5 brakes designed to stop the car at 180+ mph? Granted I know they have a different rotor.
I compared the size of the e60 m5 pads to the f01 pads, and they are bigger as well.

If I'm wrong, please educate me. Not trying to start a pissing match or a war among anyone, Just trying to help the community.

I currently have f01 brakes on my f10. Ive had the e60 m5 caliper laying around for a while and was experimenting.
So, the F01 750i brake pads actually have slightly more surface area than the M5 e60 brake pad. This is understandable as the 750 is bigger/heavier. However, as I mentioned earlier, the 760i or Alpina has even more impressive braking power due to even bigger surface area. I know ppl dis on rock auto but check out the measurements listed in the picture.

Left is 750i, middle is e60 M5, Right is 760i/Alpina
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E60 m5 Brake calipers bolt onto f10 spindles without any modification!
The e60 M5 use a 2 piston caliper and a bigger brake pads.
ALL F10 use a single piston caliper(excluding the m5)

All you need are f01 Front rotors + pads. They will bolt on and even clear stock 19" 351 M sport wheels.
The only thing is you need to pay attention where the wheel weighs are. If they are too close to the spoke of the wheel, It could scrape the caliper.

I'll upload picture shortly.
Nice find _des_! We're you able to do a brake test? Our cars are stop roughly around 110ft 60-0 stock.
http://www.edmunds.com/car-reviews/t...automatic.html

Tests have shown 112ft 60-0 for the e60 M5. https://www.edmunds.com/bmw/m5/2006/...st-specs1.html

Both cars weigh roughly the same. Wondering what your discoveries might be.
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I went with Powerstop, around $470 on amazon. I have used these on my gs lexus, both fell smoother and stronger. I have had 2 wrapped rotors on mine, don't think the stock are very good.
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Does the E60 M5 caliper need any euro spec components of the 550?
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To the debate on larger surface area or multi piston brakes here's a good article that gives us the Leyman terms of the two. At the end of the day it's larger surface for both brakes and rotors, by equal force and continent on tire traction.

(Brake Pad Surface Area x Rotor Surface Area x Traction)

Other articles go on to say that there's no advantage on multi-piston over floating style calipers other than initial bite. Initial bite caused by equal force is great for the track allowing to brake later before the turn-in. (Which is what I'm interested in ) and also makes since for an M car.

https://www.carthrottle.com/post/is-...rake-calipers/
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Do you know if the brake lines between the 550 and E60 M5 brakes are interchangeable? I have steel braided lines on the OEM brakes and was curious if they cross over.
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      11-12-2019, 03:34 AM   #14
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Ordered a set from Ebay and just inspected them so far, pressed the fluid out of the calipers.
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can anyone tell me if this is a good quote on a 2011 528I:
101 Front brake job with new rotors -Replace brake pads -Replace brake rotors. -Replace brake pad sensor(s) if needed.
3.07 39.81 3.50 10.82 32.46 104.81 137.27 4.50 27.96 0.00 0.00 474.24 272.21 746.45
-Lube brake calipers 2 FRONT BRAKE DISC 121.23 242.46 FRONT BRAKE PAD SET 173.17 173.17 v FRONT LEFT BRAKE PAD SENSOR 39.29 39.29 BRAKE SERVICE KIT 19.32 19.32 101 Rear brake job with new pads & rotors. -Replace rear brake pads 444.66 272.21 716.87 -Replace both brake rotors -Adjust parking brake shoes as needed -Install new brake sensors (if needed) -Lube caliper mounting hardware -Road test car 2 REAR BRAKE DISC 111.71 223.42 REAR BRAKE PAD SET 155.83 155.83 REAR RIGHT BRAKE PAD SENSOR 46.09 46.09 BRAKE SERVICE KIT 19.32 19.32
$1462.00
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can anyone tell me if this is a good quote on a 2011 528I:
101 Front brake job with new rotors -Replace brake pads -Replace brake rotors. -Replace brake pad sensor(s) if needed.
3.07 39.81 3.50 10.82 32.46 104.81 137.27 4.50 27.96 0.00 0.00 474.24 272.21 746.45
-Lube brake calipers 2 FRONT BRAKE DISC 121.23 242.46 FRONT BRAKE PAD SET 173.17 173.17 v FRONT LEFT BRAKE PAD SENSOR 39.29 39.29 BRAKE SERVICE KIT 19.32 19.32 101 Rear brake job with new pads & rotors. -Replace rear brake pads 444.66 272.21 716.87 -Replace both brake rotors -Adjust parking brake shoes as needed -Install new brake sensors (if needed) -Lube caliper mounting hardware -Road test car 2 REAR BRAKE DISC 111.71 223.42 REAR BRAKE PAD SET 155.83 155.83 REAR RIGHT BRAKE PAD SENSOR 46.09 46.09 BRAKE SERVICE KIT 19.32 19.32
$1462.00
I don't really understand the notations used there since that adds up to more than $1462. Look up how much it is for the parts online and compare against what they are charging to determine the delta for surcharge on parts + labor. Don't forget tax
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Sorry Guys,
I haven't had access to the site for a while. my last post above I asked for price help on new brakes and cut and pasted a really confusing post. I am curious to know if the quoted price was good. it's from an indy shop w/a 3 year warranty.
any input would be helpful as I am not mechanically inclined.

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