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      12-07-2022, 06:31 PM   #89
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Hello - my wife currently drives an X5 and I'm in a Tesla MYP along with a Honda Fit as our beater. That said, I have been hankering to get back into a "fun MT" car as a weekend type driver and was planning on swapping the Fit out for one.

The M2 MT would be my no brainer choice, but that might a little too much spend given our other rides. That said, I've been looking at the new CIvic Type R and the VW Golf R on the high-ish end, along with the Civic Si on the low end.

Any thoughts on the above or any others that I should be considering? I'd prefer a back seat, but might consider a two seater if it is compelling enough.

Thanks in advance!!
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Hello - my wife currently drives an X5 and I'm in a Tesla MYP along with a Honda Fit as our beater. That said, I have been hankering to get back into a "fun MT" car as a weekend type driver and was planning on swapping the Fit out for one.

The M2 MT would be my no brainer choice, but that might a little too much spend given our other rides. That said, I've been looking at the new CIvic Type R and the VW Golf R on the high-ish end, along with the Civic Si on the low end.

Any thoughts on the above or any others that I should be considering? I'd prefer a back seat, but might consider a two seater if it is compelling enough.

Thanks in advance!!
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      12-09-2022, 01:28 PM   #91
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The overall cost/maintenance/reliability leave the Z4 out for me. The Miata kills it in all of those areas. Are you choosing the Bimmer to look at, or to drive? No way it's more fun than the Miata, no way in hell. Yes, it has more power, but that doesn't make it more fun, not by a long shot.

Z4 for the looks, power, status.
Miata for everything else.
I know it's an older post but wanted to comment real quick. I agree with you about cost and reliability, as mine is quite maintenance heavy, but I promise you, having driven the ND2, the Z4M is just as fun albeit for different reasons. It's not just down to power and looks, but the car (especially the S54) adds a ton of drama to the driving experience.

IMHO, the Z4M Roadster is one of the best bang for the buck M available.
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      12-12-2022, 10:18 PM   #92
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      12-14-2022, 07:34 AM   #93
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The overall cost/maintenance/reliability leave the Z4 out for me. The Miata kills it in all of those areas. Are you choosing the Bimmer to look at, or to drive? No way it's more fun than the Miata, no way in hell. Yes, it has more power, but that doesn't make it more fun, not by a long shot.

Z4 for the looks, power, status.
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Non-M E86 are very inexpensive to own. Tires are the most costly maintenance item. 10,000/annual oil changes. Plugs at 100,000. Gear lubes at 50,000 to 100,000 mile intervals. Peanuts.
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      12-16-2022, 04:44 PM   #94
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Non-M E86 are very inexpensive to own. Tires are the most costly maintenance item. 10,000/annual oil changes. Plugs at 100,000. Gear lubes at 50,000 to 100,000 mile intervals. Peanuts.
I'm not sure how old we are talking here, but the longest car I've owned, about 6 years, was my 2006 Z4MR and I had to do very little to it. I did oil changes myself. I think I did brakes once and the only thing I can recall paying my indy shop to do was leaking power steering lines and towards the end the alternator went bad and that wasn't all that expensive at the time.

I'm actually looking to get back into one if I can find a good deal.
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I'm not sure how old we are talking here, but the longest car I've owned, about 6 years, was my 2006 Z4MR and I had to do very little to it. I did oil changes myself. I think I did brakes once and the only thing I can recall paying my indy shop to do was leaking power steering lines and towards the end the alternator went bad and that wasn't all that expensive at the time.

I'm actually looking to get back into one if I can find a good deal.
Looking at my well-kept records, my E86 has required $2,960 in tires, $1,051 in maintenance items (oil changes, driveline fluid changes, engine tune-up at 100,000). $1,230 for non-scheduled maintenance (brakes, battery, $100 insurance deductible, etc). All in all, 6 cents per mile. Thats over a span of 8 years and 95,000 miles. 27.5 MPG too. $10,150 in fuel cost.

Not bad IMO.
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      12-17-2022, 09:44 AM   #96
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Why do car folk never seem to consider track day cars? If you want a third car toy, and youre enthusiastic about driving, why not get something purpose built that isn't some crappy compromise between road and track. Something like a caterham would be fun on weekends on a favourite road as well as running circles around any BMW tank at the track.
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Why do car folk never seem to consider track day cars? If you want a third car toy, and youre enthusiastic about driving, why not get something purpose built that isn't some crappy compromise between road and track. Something like a caterham would be fun on weekends on a favourite road as well as running circles around any BMW tank at the track.
I agree in principle but track days can be crazy expensive, then you "have to make a day of it" as well and suddenly you're only driving it 3 times a year.
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Looking at my well-kept records, my E86 has required $2,960 in tires, $1,051 in maintenance items (oil changes, driveline fluid changes, engine tune-up at 100,000). $1,230 for non-scheduled maintenance (brakes, battery, $100 insurance deductible, etc). All in all, 6 cents per mile. Thats over a span of 8 years and 95,000 miles. 27.5 MPG too. $10,150 in fuel cost.

Not bad IMO.
I went through my receipt folder this morning and I can tell what my '03 E85 cost in maintenance. $9,314, 11.5 years 43k miles of ownership (has 109k on the clock). That's also with labor costs of things I didn't do myself. $4,500 of that was to replace hydraulic pump and all lines for the soft top, an expense you won't have with the E86. Sorry didn't log my fuel costs As for pure fun performance upgrades the total bill is upwards of $25k.

My '07 E86 with 2 years, 3k miles since owning will get it's second oil change since having when it's out of hibernation next year for its current maintenance bill.

To add like any BMW expect somewhere down the line to do the OFHG and VCG maybe vanos/solenoids, disa, those costs are in my E85 maintenance log & costs.

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I agree in principle but track days can be crazy expensive, then you "have to make a day of it" as well and suddenly you're only driving it 3 times a year.
Also any car can really be a track car. You can take pretty much anything to HPDE events. Is a purpose built track car better? Yes. But I'm probably not good enough of a driver to appreciate it anyways. I've always taken my fun cars to the track when the opportunity arose. Unfortunately they keep raising the prices and you also use to be able to just do 1 day like Sat OR Sun. Now they are forcing you to do 2 days basically doubling the price. I'm sure there's other clubs that don't do that, but that's the one everyone I know goes to.
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It's insane here, even your own car it's around $1K a day all in... like really?
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      12-17-2022, 03:38 PM   #101
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Why do car folk never seem to consider track day cars? If you want a third car toy, and youre enthusiastic about driving, why not get something purpose built that isn't some crappy compromise between road and track. Something like a caterham would be fun on weekends on a favourite road as well as running circles around any BMW tank at the track.
But even with the Caterham, itís easy to go too far towards track only or road only usage. Do you do an S or R pack? Wide or normal body? My gut is always to set one up for track days, but the deeper down that path, the less enjoyable it will be for weekend cruises.
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