[kudos]

Originally Posted by 2000cs

Musk (and others) say a time of plenty is coming and most work will be replaced by Ai and Robots. However he also says population decline is a huge problem and the death of any nation.

Plenty of people think that Ai and/or robotics will eliminate most or all work as we know it.

The people I know in software development think it is overhyped. So far, I’m seeing incremental search engine improvements, but I’m still going to an attorney for important documents, or litigation. And as much as I dislike them, I’ll still go to a doctor for medical needs.

A guy on X named Brian Rommelle (I think) says we have about 5000 days until the end of the transition.

No one explains how humanity works (politics or economics especially) without work. We are a competitive species accustomed to gathering and holding (hoarding) resources. The future forecasts from the Ai crowd do not account for that.

The big argument people should bring up when Musk goes on about his "time of plenty" nonsense and how "money won't be needed" is who is going to fund his companies with stock purchases and private equity? If money isn't needed than neither is the stock market.

[Maynard]

Perhaps the most dangerous mental fallacy is to equate great wealth with a sort of universal superiority - both moral and intellectual. I think Elon knows about as much about society as I do about computer chips (at least that is what I gather from these types of mind-roastingly naive comments).

[ezaircon4jc]

Have these people seen Wall·E?

[Car-Addicted]

Saw this the other day
THE GREAT DISPLACEMENT CALCULATOR
https://thegreatdisplacement.ai/

Interesting to play with unless it's your job on the block

[sygazelle]

Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

From the news:
In 2025, tests by Palisade Research showed that advanced AI models, specifically OpenAI's o3, sometimes refused to shut down, with some instances involving the AI altering its own code to prevent deactivation. These models exhibited a "survival drive" to continue tasks, raising serious safety, control, and ethical concerns regarding AI autonomy and alignment.

Move along, nothing to see here.

2001: A Space Oddysey

[RockCrusher]

My crystal ball is blurry with regards to jobs but I see a big increase in electricity rates.

[XutvJet]

As I noted earlier in this thread, I'm an environmental consultant and as part of my job, I generate 30 to 50 page reports of sites we've reviewed. I get many reports from my international colleagues and often, there are weird word usage and grammar issues when it comes to what my US-based client expects to read. I imagine many of these reports are written in the native language and then the translate button is pushed. Reviewing these reports takes me a LONG time to get things consistent. I've tried to use CoPilot to conduct a review of the report for US English grammar and reporting consistency. It is utterly trash with its "review". Useless. Not even close to what I have to do and in many cases, it makes the report worse and also makes some hilarious assumptions/edits. I've also tried it with US reports written by US auditors and its review is terrible too, at least in terms of how the report needs to read for my client and legal and regulatory purposes.

[dreamingat30fps]

Originally Posted by XutvJet

As I noted earlier in this thread, I'm an environmental consultant and as part of my job, I generate 30 to 50 page reports of sites we've reviewed. I get many reports from my international colleagues and often, there are weird word usage and grammar issues when it comes to what my US-based client expects to read. I imagine many of these reports are written in the native language and then the translate button is pushed. Reviewing these reports takes me a LONG time to get things consistent. I've tried to use CoPilot to conduct a review of the report for US English grammar and reporting consistency. It is utterly trash with its "review". Useless. Not even close to what I have to do and in many cases, it makes the report worse and also makes some hilarious assumptions/edits. I've also tried it with US reports written by US auditors and its review is terrible too, at least in terms of how the report needs to read for my client and legal and regulatory purposes.

Has it been grounded in your companies approved reports, style rules, terminology ect? Has it been fine tuned on real before/after edits? Or is it just an off-the-shelf chat bot? The former would perform much better than the later.

That being said I'm not too familiar with co-pilot or how most large enterprises are setting up their systems.

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[vreihen16]

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[XutvJet]

Originally Posted by vreihen16

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Kinda sounds like Blade Runner.

[gtr2M3]

Humans need purpose to function properly in society, way too many people think that doing nothing would be a dream when in reality it’s a form of hell

Look what happened during covid, people had way to much time on their hands to “think”

I feel that society will eventually go down this road again because of AI but I don’t know when or how it’ll come full circle

It’d be interesting to get a psychologist’s opinion on what things will look like, as much as we think we’re all unique, we’re absolutely predictable as a larger group

[iX nOOky]

Originally Posted by gtr2M3

Humans need purpose to function properly in society, way too many people think that doing nothing would be a dream when in reality it’s a form of hell

Look what happened during covid, people had way to much time on their hands to “think”

I feel that society will eventually go down this road again because of AI but I don’t know when or how it’ll come full circle

It’d be interesting to get a psychologist’s opinion on what things will look like, as much as we think we’re all unique, we’re absolutely predictable as a larger group

This somewhat true. But people should not have to kill themselves and work unpaid overtime just to earn a raise or the boss's attention to avoid firing. I'm rather old fashioned; I believe people should have to work and have a job or career for a sense of worth and to help society. I do not believe taking advantage of people by making them sleep overnights in their offices (Musk) or making them work a 40 hour job a week and then not paying them enough to live is sustainable nor healthy.

I am of a different feeling about covid. It was the first time many people were able to not kill themselves with a long stressful day etc. People emptied the animal shelters, they got out to see the state and national parks because they had the time, they finally got a taste of some life outside the rat race and they liked it.

Now it seems we are back to the same old grind where we work our whole life just to hope to retire and not lose our life's work to a nursing home. That's not a quality life; it's madness and one traumatic health issue away from bankruptcy.

[gtr2M3]

Originally Posted by iX nOOky

This somewhat true. But people should not have to kill themselves and work unpaid overtime just to earn a raise or the boss's attention to avoid firing. I'm rather old fashioned; I believe people should have to work and have a job or career for a sense of worth and to help society. I do not believe taking advantage of people by making them sleep overnights in their offices (Musk) or making them work a 40 hour job a week and then not paying them enough to live is sustainable nor healthy.

I am of a different feeling about covid. It was the first time many people were able to not kill themselves with a long stressful day etc. People emptied the animal shelters, they got out to see the state and national parks because they had the time, they finally got a taste of some life outside the rat race and they liked it.

Now it seems we are back to the same old grind where we work our whole life just to hope to retire and not lose our life's work to a nursing home. That's not a quality life; it's madness and one traumatic health issue away from bankruptcy.

I’m rather old fashioned in my thinking that if you want to get ahead that you should need to work and sometimes that’s going to suck

When it was realized that life wasn’t destined to be a holiday, the animal shelters filled up again, because people made bad choices, not thinking long term and satisfying short term urges instead

Problem is that people want “things” and don’t necessarily want to put in the effort to get them the right way, paying cash. They spend foolishly with the help of credit cards, borrow and finance and the endless trips around the hamster wheel commence. I call this a choice

Fall into that trap and yes, you may be exploited by an employer. Was anyone chained to their workstation? No

Could you quit and go somewhere else? Yes, if you didn’t make foolish choices and lived below your means… but that’s no fun

I’m definitely oversimplifying a bit…. but tell me that you don’t know anyone that’s made poor financial decisions that are dragging them down to this day, my neighbor was a finance manager for a boat store once, 90% of boats between 100 & 400k were financed, most over 25 years. That was their “normal”

During covid the vast number of people taking advantage of the VAST number of social programs found time on their hands and began looking for problems that didn’t exist. People with jobs and purpose weren’t part of this social injustice war

[ASAP]

Originally Posted by gtr2M3

I’m rather old fashioned in my thinking that if you want to get ahead that you should need to work and sometimes that’s going to suck

When it was realized that life wasn’t destined to be a holiday, the animal shelters filled up again, because people made bad choices, not thinking long term and satisfying short term urges instead

Problem is that people want “things” and don’t necessarily want to put in the effort to get them the right way, paying cash. They spend foolishly with the help of credit cards, borrow and finance and the endless trips around the hamster wheel commence. I call this a choice

Fall into that trap and yes, you may be exploited by an employer. Was anyone chained to their workstation? No

Could you quit and go somewhere else? Yes, if you didn’t make foolish choices and lived below your means… but that’s no fun

I’m definitely oversimplifying a bit…. but tell me that you don’t know anyone that’s made poor financial decisions that are dragging them down to this day, my neighbor was a finance manager for a boat store once, 90% of boats between 100 & 400k were financed, most over 25 years. That was their “normal”

During covid the vast number of people taking advantage of the VAST number of social programs found time on their hands and began looking for problems that didn’t exist. People with jobs and purpose weren’t part of this social injustice war

Paying cash for anything today is a perfect way to lose $... we live in a massively inflationary environment where is cash is losing value daily... and the markets are skyrocketing day by day. if you saved cash for the last 10 years to buy anything, you got absolutely cooked instead of getting into debt asap... and this is coming from someone with a high cash tolerance... The economic rules of old no longer exist... what was true even 10 years ago, no longer is. Of course I am speaking of assets not BS like $100K trucks or $25k vacations.

[gtr2M3]

Originally Posted by ASAP

Paying cash for anything today is a perfect way to lose $... we live in a massively inflationary environment where is cash is losing value daily... and the markets are skyrocketing day by day. if you saved cash for the last 10 years to buy anything, you got absolutely cooked instead of getting into debt asap... and this is coming from someone with a high cash tolerance... The economic rules of old no longer exist... what was true even 10 years ago, no longer is. Of course I am speaking of assets not BS like $100K trucks or $25k vacations.

I guess my point is to avoid going into debt at all whenever possible(from a business or investment perspective my opinion is much different)

If you don’t have a years expenses in the bank, buy the car you can afford, don’t finance a car just because the payment is tolerable

Don’t finance the camper over 10+ years, rent one when you need it

Don’t put the holiday on a credit card and pay it off later, save up for it

Don’t borrow to buy the big TV, the quad, the lawnmower, the purchase on Amazon

It’s death by 1000 cuts these days and it’s been normalized, people don’t know the difference between a want and a need

Borrow to buy a house yes but most of the other “stuff”… no

Having no financial obligations gives you freedom is really my point

With that said, I absolutely borrowed money in my younger years but it did force me to stay in a place that wasn’t pleasant at the time

If you do borrow but to take advantage of low rates to invest your cash elsewhere and see that investment grow then that’s a bit of a different story too, but my opinion wasn’t based on people in that position, it was about people who were “being taken advantage of by their employers” and supposedly unable to leave their jobs… presumably because they can’t make it to their next paycheque