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      09-15-2021, 12:11 PM   #419
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See the excuses have already started. If you're in a car, you are racing to win, not for the fun of it. If he's winning it's because he's the best, if he's not it's because he chooses not to, c'mon.
Also did he suddenly become too old? Last season he was winning, now he's getting beaten by a clearly inferior driver like Verstappen who has never won a thing? Don't buy it.
It's just facts of the sport my friend, age/time waits for no body.

It's an age old argument in any comparison of sporting legends.
Michael Jordan / Kobe / Lebron / etc.

Everyone's prime doesn't line up.

MSC's last WDC was at 35 yrs old.
You'd have to go back 25 years to 1996 when Damon Hill won one (his one and only) at 36. To win a WDC 7 times is no small feat no matter who you are.

Let's wait and see.
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See the excuses have already started. If you're in a car, you are racing to win, not for the fun of it. If he's winning it's because he's the best, if he's not it's because he chooses not to, c'mon.
Also did he suddenly become too old? Last season he was winning, now he's getting beaten by a clearly inferior driver like Verstappen who has never won a thing? Don't buy it.
It's just facts of the sport my friend, age/time waits for no body.

It's an age old argument in any comparison of sporting legends.
Michael Jordan / Kobe / Lebron / etc.

Everyone's prime doesn't line up.

MSC's last WDC was at 35 yrs old.
You'd have to go back 25 years to 1996 when Damon Hill won one (his one and only) at 36. To win a WDC 7 times is no small feat no matter who you are.

Let's wait and see.
You're right, people do get older, but I just don't find the argument very compelling in this case. Hamilton goes from consistently winning with no drop off to all of a sudden dropping off completely? I don't buy that argument. I've always said it's mostly the car, not Hamilton that is the GOAT but get demolished by the experts on this forum when I try to make that argument, just doesn't sit well with them. But now I'm getting, well he's too old, his priorities are different. I feel like when it's Hamilton, there's always an explanation. To me, the explanations just aren't that compelling. I don't know who the GOAT is, too many variables, certainly it is not Verstappen. But this whole Sir 7ewis business is out of control. Just my opinion.
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See the excuses have already started. If you're in a car, you are racing to win, not for the fun of it. If he's winning it's because he's the best, if he's not it's because he chooses not to, c'mon.
Also did he suddenly become too old? Last season he was winning, now he's getting beaten by a clearly inferior driver like Verstappen who has never won a thing? Don't buy it.
Max is an above average driver in a great car. If you have any doubt, look at his pole positions prior to this season vs this season. Prior to this season he only had 4 pole positions in his career. This season, alone, he's had 6 or 7. That is a very telling statistic.

Contrast this with Lewis in 2009. He had, what was rated by Autosport, the 6th fastest car on the grid. He achieved 4 pole positions and 2 wins in an absolute dog. That is more pole positions than Max had over his 5 year Red Bull Racing career.

And RIC beat him as well in their time at RB. In fact, Max's first win at RBR was managed because RB pitted Daniel, who was substantially ahead of Max, unnecessarily. This was done to GIVE Max the victory.
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I've always said it's mostly the car, not Hamilton that is the GOAT but get demolished by the experts on this forum when I try to make that argument, just doesn't sit well with them.
It's already been proven wrong earlier in his career in a lessor car like MKS mentioned.

Max has achieved less comparatively.
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      09-15-2021, 01:02 PM   #423
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For a moment, I thought Hammy was attempting to appeal to the steward’s sympathy given the makeshift neck brace.


Now I’m not so sure....is that a table cloth?
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Here is a summary of all previous and future Formula 1 threads:
Max good . Hamilton bad .

There, saved you some time. You're welcome.
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      09-15-2021, 02:17 PM   #425
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Here is a summary of all previous and future Formula 1 threads:
Max good . Hamilton bad .

There, saved you some time. You're welcome.
Pretty much.
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For a moment, I thought Hammy was attempting to appeal to the steward’s sympathy given the makeshift neck brace.


Now I’m not so sure....is that a table cloth?
I'm impressed how Hammy is dressed there, nice suit with the chisel shoes but without the dangling white cloth of course,almost my style there!
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I'm impressed how Hammy is dressed there, nice suit with the chisel shoes but without the dangling white cloth of course,almost my style there!
So your table cloths double as shirts?
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So your table cloths double as shirts?
Nope they dry dishes mate Hahahaha !!!
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Well...this is only my opinion.
I would say It's a combination of car & driver, if you look at both Lewis & Max's team mate's performance I would say that's pretty much the pace of the cars, the rest is made up by the driver.
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I don't understand you guys. You can't have it both ways

When someone barely crosses the white line with two (not 4) tires you cry foul.

But when someone crosses with all 4 over the white and gains an advantage you praise them for being such a great driver but they end up getting punished any ways, then cry again. Lol.

I didn't see the MAX fans shed a tear for Leclerc when he got sent off track by MAX in Austria. Shouldnt have max left more room there ?

Bunch of hypocrites. I'm done here. You guys don't learn.
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I don't know much, but I know that I can't wait for Russell to show what he can do at Mercedes and what excuses Hamilton and his supporters will start making when Russell starts winning. I wonder if anyone will start taking bets on how many times Hamilton will crash Russell if/when Russell becomes a threat. I mean he's crashed Albon, Verstappen and just about everyone else. Bottas was just never much of a threat.

I hope this ages well.
Won't happen . The Russell boy signed a pet shelter contract .
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Well...this is only my opinion.
I would say It's a combination of car & driver, if you look at both Lewis & Max's team mate's performance I would say that's pretty much the pace of the cars, the rest is made up by the driver.
I tend to be more logical and evaluate just as you are. See how the teammate's performance is. Mercedes has the better car(s) this season, definitely in the straights for sure. Takes a great driver to extract everything he can out of a car.

I think if Alonso had a top 3 car, he would be competing for WDC. He is driving the absolute piss out of his car. Unreal driver that guy.
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More 'offs' there than Max has had in his lifetime
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I tend to be more logical and evaluate just as you are. See how the teammate's performance is. Mercedes has the better car(s) this season, definitely in the straights for sure. Takes a great driver to extract everything he can out of a car.

I think if Alonso had a top 3 car, he would be competing for WDC. He is driving the absolute piss out of his car. Unreal driver that guy.
There is no one that is involved in motorsports that will agree with this statement. The RB-16B has been faster in almost every situation this year. In fact, it is only recently that Mercedes has been able to be even close.

The phenomenon you speak of with regard to team mates has to do with the operational window of the car. The operational window of the Mercedes was very narrow which is how the RB-16B has been, as well. As Mercedes has opened that operational window, BOT can now extract more from the car. This is why it SEEMS that BOT has been better the past few races. It isn't that his skill has increased, it's that the car has been improved.

The situation with RB is the same as in the years since RIC has left the team. RB design the car around Max's foibles and the hell with the rest. It only operates in the Max Window. This MAY be a good strategy to force a WDC but it's a terrible strategy for the WDC. A maximum error on the part of the organization because it leaves them, more often than not, fighting 1 on 2 vs Merc rather than 2 on 2.

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Pushing new engine from 2025 to 2026 might lure VW Group

VW RB..I could live with that.
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Hopefully Porsche or Audi branded...They don't fu@k around when it comes to racing or put their name on trash
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