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      09-11-2021, 02:21 PM   #111
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Well I must say it worked out well for Max being on pole for tomorrows race,I guess Wolf's plan backfired today heheh.
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That's for sure

But ! On the other hand ...
As we know , the McLaren is actually an orange Mercedes !

And knowing Toto ! We never know

Checo ?
Wow ! What a mess...
Is Checo on some relaxing drugs OMW if he's that bad today then it's a Sunday drive for him tomorrow lol (pst Marko, Gasly is fuming at you
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Correction ...
First HAM pulled it full to the his left side , because he noticed that MAX was already along him => pic # 1
That was useless , because MAX was faster away anyway .
Then he noticed that NOR was coming and then he pulled it to his right side and pushed NOR on the grass => pic # 2 , 3 ,4

Honestly , HAM looked like 'drunk man behind his steering wheel ..
HAM's dirty tricks ?
Or just running under pressure ?

From the start .The pics in order :
Crazy Ham tries to block half the field with his weaving and of course stewards had their Merc shades on as usual as Max adds another pole to his tally
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Indeed I didn't expect HAM to perform this bad, loosing the start to both VER and both the mclarens.

I also didn't know then that BOT would take a new PU.

Lets see what the race tomorrow brings. Hopefully my crystal ball is still that dirty then...

One thing is for certain, if VER wins tomorrow, it's certainly not because he had the best car for the track.
It'll be a combination of talent, tactics and a bit of luck (or maybe better said poor tactics of the competition)
AND most importantly starting from an INHERITED pole, all Max has to do is get cleanly away & drive a 'faultless' race, of which he is more than capable of doing.

Provided neither Lewis or Max don't have a dnf Lewis will have to drive a pretty special race to win from 4th.
I say let it play out, as a race fan & neither a Lewis or Max fan it's a win, win for me provided the racing's good
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Correction ...
First HAM pulled it full to the his left side , because he noticed that MAX was already along him => pic # 1
That was useless , because MAX was faster away anyway .
Then he noticed that NOR was coming and then he pulled it to his right side and pushed NOR on the grass => pic # 2 , 3 ,4

Honestly , HAM looked like 'drunk man behind his steering wheel ..
HAM's dirty tricks ?
Or just running under pressure ?

From the start .The pics in order :
Crazy Ham tries to block half the field with his weaving and of course stewards had their Merc shades on as usual as Max adds another pole to his tally
Yea I didn't appreciate that. Lando can't catch a break after Spa and having a new car. But it is what it is.

Overall with the size of the modern day F1 car, or racing cars in general, not a fan of this circuit. Hopefully no accidents tomorrow, particularly with these high speeds
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Is Checo on some relaxing drugs OMW if he's that bad today then it's a Sunday drive for him tomorrow lol (pst Marko, Gasly is fuming at you
Checo ?
He should take his helmet off , and throw a sombrero on his head .

Not even for once , he was able to pull a Red Bull race strategy...
Too bad for MAX !
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This season MAX wins always positions during the start . It looks just outstanding !

The McLaren's wont get a chance ...

Today after 30 min. and 18 laps , the first McLaren (RIC) finished 14 + sec. behind MAX .

It's very clear that HAM makes mistakes by the pressure coming from MAX !
BTW : MAX looked in top-shape , he's ready for it !
I was shocked how behind the Mclaren's were by the end of the sprint race. And Ham was not able to pass. This could work out in Max's favor if Ham gets caught behind 2 cars from same team. Go Mclaren!

Lando P2 finish would be amazing for that kid. I know my son and I will be ecstatic! We'll root for Danny Ric too lol
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Checo ?
He should take his helmet off , and throw a sombrero on his head .

Not even for once , he was able to pull a Red Bull race strategy...
Too bad for MAX !
Hmmm….I seem to recollect at the beginning of the season you posting about how great (or posts to that effect) Checo would be at RBSR
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Well I must say it worked out well for Max being on pole for tomorrows race,I guess Wolf's plan backfired today heheh.
The Mercedes PU suffers from 'Clipping at Monza ...

Pulling out of a corner , the Mercedes warp-speed is bullet fast !
But ..According the GPS data ..
They run out of boost on the end of the Monza long straights ...

There's 'Too much (cheating) cold air in the Merc's plenum walls

And in the end MAX was closing (in the dirt air) the gap vs BOT !

It's the first time since the Hybride era , that a Red Bull can start from the pole at Monza !
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Hmmm….I seem to recollect at the beginning of the season you posting about how great (or posts to that effect) Checo would be at RBSR
Negative , we were hoping for that !
But ...
You Merc fans and you HAM preachers said that Checo would beat MAX !

Ohhh...C'mon guys ! LMFAO
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We should all know by now, Checo only shows up on race day. Though this circuit will really test his passing ability because such long straights.

But that's the beauty of F1 right? Every circuit is different, which tests every team every weekend. I love F1.
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AND most importantly starting from an INHERITED pole,
Yes it seems that BOT now taking the penalty for a new PU might have been a tactical error.
OF course he got 3 points from the sprint race, but that only helps him and mercs WCC but not HAM.

If BOT had started from pole tomorrow, he could have held up the field so giving HAM more chance to overtake the mercs.
Now they have to think something up with undercut pitstops etc, but that is not MERC's specialty. Tactics wise they are a very weak team. They make a lot of mistakes.
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Bottas provides scathing comment about Merc strategy

Alan Baldwin – Reuters

Question: Valtteri, the talk after yesterday’s qualifying was all about team orders and how you would likely have to give the win to Lewis today. Obviously that didn’t happen. Just how were you feeling about that, before the start and obviously as the race progressed?

Bottas: It would not have been the first time for me, obviously and the situation with the championship, for us… In an ideal world we would have both got a good start. Possibly we would have swapped positions if it was safe, for obvious reasons, but yeah, Lewis had a bad start and that of course is not great for him, not great for us as a team in terms of points but that gave me an opportunity to win the sprint which is obviously, for me personally, is nice that I could race.

It’s going to be an interesting season for Merc. Bottas appears to be unleashed in a very Finnish way.
Text doesn’t do it justice, watch the post sprint press conference.
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Negative , we were hoping for that !
But ...
You Merc fans and you HAM preachers said that Checo would beat MAX !

Ohhh...C'mon guys ! LMFAO
Firstly as I've often pointed out I am no fan of Lewis, secondly I drive & always have (other than my 1967 Beetle) a BMW, I dislike Mercedes & their drivers almost as much as people that drive diesel coupes or convertibles & lastly I don't recall posting that Checo would be faster than Max.

I would quite like Max to win this season's drivers Championship but some of yours & Ricks post about constant conspiracy theories & posts about cheating with nothing to back any of it other than what you've read in some F1 rag or another just gets my goat, admittedly some of it was ammusing a while ago but now....it's just boring & kinda reminds me of that guy who used to post all that conspiracy stuff in the PR section


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We should all know by now, Checo only shows up on race day. Though this circuit will really test his passing ability because such long straights.

But that's the beauty of F1 right? Every circuit is different, which tests every team every weekend. I love F1.
A sprint race is also a race ...
Checo screwed it up while he overtook Stroll . And he was told to give back the place after leaving the track to overtake Lance Stroll .

Checo makes too much beginners mistakes ..
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Too bad GAS wasn't in position to take Hammy with him into the gravel

That would have made my day

Dem Ferrari's weren't looking too bad
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The Mercedes PU suffers from 'Clipping at Monza ...

Pulling out of a corner , the Mercedes warp-speed is bullet fast !
But ..According the GPS data ..
They run out of boost on the end of the Monza long straights ...

There's 'Too much (cheating) cold air in the Merc's plenum walls

And in the end MAX was closing (in the dirt air) the gap vs BOT !

It's the first time since the Hybride era , that a Red Bull can start from the pole at Monza !
Clipping, those Mercs are harvesting energy ''too'' much rather than using it effectively and suffering at the end of that straight.
Not something nasa can fix overnight
https://www.gpblog.com/en/news/93829...in-sprint.html
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Checo ?
He should take his helmet off , and throw a sombrero on his head .

Not even for once , he was able to pull a Red Bull race strategy...
Too bad for MAX !
His Red Bull race strategy got Max into 3rd for the sprint race which gave him pole for tomorrow. I'd say he did his job.

Maybe Red Bull's strategy is different from yours.
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Wolff states sprint start was not normal for Ham,perhaps now it is.
https://www.gpblog.com/en/news/93820...plink=onderaan
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Max doubts Ham's prediction that he will have an 'easy' race from pole and wary of Merc threat even with Ham starting fourth.
https://racingnews365.com/verstappen...e-an-easy-race
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Too bad GAS wasn't in position to take Hammy with him into the gravel

That would have made my day

Dem Ferrari's weren't looking too bad
If HAM pulls another bad start like he pulled today ..
He will get the 2 reds along him !

The Wolf just said that HAM was sleeping behind his steering wheel !

And there's more ...
If Mercedes is planning for an early pitstop , they have to run in too much of dirty air !
So they won't ... And by this they will get steering wheel vibrations on the long straights .
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His Red Bull race strategy got Max into 3rd for the sprint race which gave him pole for tomorrow. I'd say he did his job.

Maybe Red Bull's strategy is different from yours.
Indeed , Checo gave MAX a great tow . It was really necessary because the Mercs speedtrap was 10-15 km/h faster on the long straights .

But from what we saw over the whole season , Checo wasn't able to give Red Bull a race strategy during the race .

And today during the sprint race , Checo made a beginners mistake .
It is known that Checo struggles with the RB16-B ..
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