|
|
|
2010 2011 BMW 5 Series Forum F10 F10 5-series diesel confirmed for U.S. Hybrid models may also come. |
|
Post Reply |
|
Thread Tools | Search this Thread |
05-13-2010, 11:58 AM | #1 |
Enlisted Member
13
Rep 41
Posts |
F10 5-series diesel confirmed for U.S. Hybrid models may also come.
BMW May Sell 5-Series Hybrid in U.S. Next Year, Confirms 5-Series Diesel for U.S.
http://blogs.edmunds.com/greencaradv...el-for-us.html By Danny King, Contributor BMW may sell a hybrid version of its popular 5-Series sedan in the U.S. as early as next year, as the German automaker looks to make headway in meeting more stringent domestic fuel-economy requirements over the next few years. In addition to a 5-Series hybrid, BMW, which sold 17 percent of its cars to the U.S. during the first quarter, may also introduce a four-cylinder 5-Series sedan to the U.S. in the ensuing couple of years, confirmed BMW North America spokesman Tom Kowaleski, who emphasized that no plans have been finalized. Meanwhile, Willem Rombauts, product manager for the 5-Series, X5 and X6, said two more models in the U.S. will offer diesels. "The 5-Series will definitely be one of them," he revealed at an event covered by Edmunds' Senior Editor Bill Visnic. Currently, the 330d and the X5 xDrive35d are the only two U.S.-spec models fitted with diesels. Both use BMW's twin-turbocharged 3-liter inline 6-cylinder diesel that generates 265 horsepower and 425 pound-feet of torque. Both have been on sale since 2008. As to the matter of which diesel the U.S. 5-Series will get, it's almost certain it will be one of the straight-sixes already offered in Europe, either the twin-turbo job we already know from the 3-Series and X5 or a slightly less muscular single-turbo 3-liter. BMW is considering selling more economical variants of the 5-Series, which accounted for 12 percent of its first-quarter vehicle units, as it looks to meet U.S. fuel-economy regulations. Those regs require industry-wide fleets to boost their collective gas mileage for the 2016 model year to 34.1 miles per gallon. The automaker in March unveiled a 5-Series ActiveHybrid concept car that paired a turbocharged 3.0-liter inline six-cylinder with a 40-kilowatt electronic motor. While the company did not disclose any performance details for the 5-Series hybrid concept, fuel-economy fans hope the production version gets better gas mileage than either the ActiveHybrid X6 Crossover that BMW started selling late last year or the 7-Series ActiveHybrid slated for the 2011 model year. The 485-horsepower crossover gets 18 mpg in combined city and highway driving, while the 455-horsepower 7-series hybrid is expected to get about 21 mpg. BMW said late last month that it would start selling its Megacity vehicle, an all-electric version of the automaker's 1-Series coupe and the first zero-emissions vehicle within the BMW brand, in 2013. The company also said the previous month that it would develop a hydrogen fuel-cell-gas-powered hybrid version of its 1 series. |
05-13-2010, 06:18 PM | #3 |
Lieutenant Colonel
134
Rep 1,629
Posts |
Diesel 5 series headed to U.S. shores....?
Here's the link:
http://www.4wheelsnews.com/official-...ded-to-the-us/ Hopefully they bring over either the 520d or the 535d I either want extreme fuel economy or extreme performance damnit! The 535i is already a perfect jack of all trades car. Edit: whoa! Accidental double post. My bad.
__________________
Cars>Women
Last edited by GreenPlease; 05-13-2010 at 06:24 PM.. |
Appreciate
0
|
05-13-2010, 06:28 PM | #4 |
Captain
47
Rep 998
Posts |
I think BMW might bring over the 20d since they'd be able to use it in the next 1er, next 3er, and the upcoming (to NA) X1 as well. The 35d is possible too since the engine is already certified. The 30d was recently updated wasn't it? If that's the case, they can bring that engine over and use it in the 5 for now, and then the new 3, X1, X3, and X5.
|
Appreciate
0
|
05-14-2010, 09:47 AM | #5 |
Enlisted Member
5
Rep 40
Posts |
I doubt that BMW will introduce the 20d engine in US. Especially with low fuel prices. I think that it will be either 30d or 35d. As first diesel F10 in US they will try to offer more performance so they can convince drivers to save money and the planet keeping the performance high. The interesting part is that 30d has a performance very close to 535i. So if they offer 30d at same price like 535i I guarantee a lot of people that are already convinced to the new F10 will take advantage. Especially since the diesel version will give you more than 30% better economy. Here is a F10 catalog (page 29) with the EU Fuel consumption data where you can see the difference between 530d and 535i.
|
Appreciate
0
|
05-14-2010, 12:36 PM | #6 |
Second Lieutenant
64
Rep 268
Posts |
BMW has the slimmest profit margins with anything less then the V8's here in the States. They will not bring over any small displacement diesel engines because they will have to lower the MSRP and make even less money. My money is on the biggest displacement diesel engines so BMW can still have nice profit margins. So I say the 35d.
__________________
"Motion does not equal progress"
"I love the smell of cosmoline in the morning" |
Appreciate
0
|
05-14-2010, 02:03 PM | #7 | |
Captain
47
Rep 998
Posts |
Quote:
|
|
Appreciate
0
|
05-14-2010, 02:50 PM | #8 |
Second Lieutenant
64
Rep 268
Posts |
It costs BMW just as much to make a 6cly as it does a V8. The base price of the higher displacement cars are higher. The cost of the additional "standard equipment" does not offset the MSRP enough for the lower priced cars. No matter how you slice it this has been the definitive reason why BMW has always been hesitant about bringing 4cly cars over here. Not for the tarnish of the brand or the fear that 4cly cars don't sell, its as simple as BMW just does not make enough coin on each car. With the new 3.0l Diesels BMW can charge just as much, (if not more) then the petrol cars and will be happy.
__________________
"Motion does not equal progress"
"I love the smell of cosmoline in the morning" |
Appreciate
0
|
05-14-2010, 03:08 PM | #9 | |
Captain
47
Rep 998
Posts |
Quote:
Edit: Are we talking development or production costs? Production is the key in this argument. |
|
Appreciate
0
|
05-14-2010, 03:35 PM | #10 |
Enlisted Member
2
Rep 46
Posts |
I had a chance to drive the 530d in the states a couple of years ago. It was a great car! I'm still shocked it isn't here yet. People would buy them...Alot of them.
|
Appreciate
0
|
05-14-2010, 06:25 PM | #11 |
Private
2
Rep 96
Posts |
The article incorrectly states the 330d and X5 xDrive35d are sold in the United States. The 330d is not sold here, but a 335d is.
My hopes are on a 535d and maybe a 123d??? I think the 335d was introduced first for two reasons: 1. Three series is the best selling "series" in the U.S. 2. 335d defies comparisons to either VW (smaller) or Mercedes (bigger) diesel sedans. Going forward a 535d would be compared to the Mercedes diesel E class (no biggie), but...the 123d would be compared to the diesels from VW and almost certainly get hammered on the price and interior room. Not sure if BMW will go there. It would help their CAFE though... Cheers! |
Appreciate
0
|
05-14-2010, 07:08 PM | #12 |
Colonel
160
Rep 2,248
Posts |
335d was a mistake, as the sales figures confirm. 530d would make sense, as would 320d, especially if BMW is interested in lowering its fleet fuel consumption averages. You won't see a 1-series diesel because BMWNA can't wrap its little mind around the idea of a 2-door diesel, much less a convertible, and they're equally closed to the idea of a 1-series with 4 doors. Don't count on them to make a sensible decision on diesels for the US — they haven't yet.
|
Appreciate
0
|
05-14-2010, 07:28 PM | #13 | |
Captain
17
Rep 680
Posts |
Quote:
I could easily see my next car being a 535d. Sounds like a fantastic road trip car. |
|
Appreciate
0
|
05-14-2010, 07:36 PM | #14 | |
Colonel
160
Rep 2,248
Posts |
Quote:
|
|
Appreciate
0
|
05-14-2010, 07:49 PM | #15 |
Lieutenant Colonel
22
Rep 1,938
Posts |
Diesels are great for long distance touring and for people who are concerned about the longevity of their car. Hopefully, they will become more popular than hybrids.
|
Appreciate
0
|
05-14-2010, 08:27 PM | #16 |
Major General
296
Rep 5,686
Posts |
wonder when they will bring it over. time frame wise. I was disappointed with e60, when they cancelled the diesel in the usa. Shame! Hope this time around they do it sooner.
|
Appreciate
0
|
05-14-2010, 08:57 PM | #17 |
My gift Registry: M2
121
Rep 1,432
Posts |
Ye, 300hp diesel and even more efficient and more torque.
I want that engine in 335d.. But its not certified.. I hope it will get certified.. |
Appreciate
0
|
05-14-2010, 10:58 PM | #18 |
Captain
47
Rep 998
Posts |
No no you're talking about the updated 35d, which they dubbed 40d this time around. That engine very likely won't make it in the 3er. It's only in the X5, X6, and 7 at this point.
|
Appreciate
0
|
05-15-2010, 06:24 AM | #19 |
Brigadier General
242
Rep 3,306
Posts |
THANK GOD!!!! YES!!!! Great call BMW, great call!!!!
Cheers, e46e92
__________________
"...it's not about the money and not about the brand of the car, it's about handling,performance and passion......And that, no other car has all together like an M3........when you talk about the most complete car the M is invincible." --Tony Kanaan. |
Appreciate
0
|
05-15-2010, 08:52 AM | #20 | |
Enlisted Member
5
Rep 40
Posts |
Quote:
If so what about X5 35d? how are the sales and expectations there? I've heard that they have a great success there. BMW should rush with diesel version otherwise other German automakers will bring diesel engines for cars like Mercedes-Benz E-Class and Audi A6. |
|
Appreciate
0
|
05-15-2010, 10:38 AM | #21 | |
Private
2
Rep 96
Posts |
Quote:
Volkswagen Jetta 3,622 Volkswagen Golf 553 BMW X5 483 BMW 335d 427 Mercedes GL320 302 Audi A3 297 Audi Q7 226 Mercedes ML320 192 Volkswagen Touareg 186 Jeep Cherokee 68 Mercedes R320 60 Mercedes E320 8 |
|
Appreciate
0
|
05-15-2010, 12:12 PM | #22 | |
Captain
47
Rep 998
Posts |
Quote:
|
|
Appreciate
0
|
Post Reply |
Bookmarks |
|
|