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      10-24-2018, 11:32 AM   #1
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535i pwg is pure stage one worth it?

Thinking about doing pure stage one and just a intake and downpipe on my 2011 535i but idk if its worth it on the f10 vs just a Flash. Whats the restriction on the f10? all the other pwg n55's make more power on the stock turbo. I already have a 500whp e92 weekend car. Im not looking for a crazy amount of power but 400whp and mid 12 sec 1/4 mile times would be nice for a daily driver.
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Thinking about doing pure stage one and just a intake and downpipe on my 2011 535i but idk if its worth it on the f10 vs just a Flash. Whats the restriction on the f10? all the other pwg n55's make more power on the stock turbo. I already have a 500whp e92 weekend car. Im not looking for a crazy amount of power but 400whp and mid 12 sec 1/4 mile times would be nice for a daily driver.
As in a PS1 Turbo? If you're gonna replace it just go PS2, PS1 is basically a stock replacement. If it's a money thing, go with a BM3 tune and you'll be much happier. Intake/DP/Tune and you'll be very happy with numbers around 325/425 at the wheels
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Thinking about doing pure stage one and just a intake and downpipe on my 2011 535i but idk if its worth it on the f10 vs just a Flash. Whats the restriction on the f10? all the other pwg n55's make more power on the stock turbo. I already have a 500whp e92 weekend car. Im not looking for a crazy amount of power but 400whp and mid 12 sec 1/4 mile times would be nice for a daily driver.
As in a PS1 Turbo? If you're gonna replace it just go PS2, PS1 is basically a stock replacement. If it's a money thing, go with a BM3 tune and you'll be much happier. Intake/DP/Tune and you'll be very happy with numbers around 325/425 at the wheels
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Thinking about doing pure stage one and just a intake and downpipe on my 2011 535i but idk if its worth it on the f10 vs just a Flash. Whats the restriction on the f10? all the other pwg n55's make more power on the stock turbo. I already have a 500whp e92 weekend car. Im not looking for a crazy amount of power but 400whp and mid 12 sec 1/4 mile times would be nice for a daily driver.
As in a PS1 Turbo? If you're gonna replace it just go PS2, PS1 is basically a stock replacement. If it's a money thing, go with a BM3 tune and you'll be much happier. Intake/DP/Tune and you'll be very happy with numbers around 325/425 at the wheels
ps1 with a ewg is basically the same.. just a tab more hp
ps1 on a pwg is 40+whp with power to redline.
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      08-03-2019, 07:29 PM   #4
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With pure stage 2 you can get around 420-450whp on pump gas I believe. I still have to stop being lazy and take my car to dyno lol.
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      08-03-2019, 07:58 PM   #5
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3rd gear pull 93 Oct:


4th gear pull 93oct: (I didn't WOT until 3k rpms sorry).


Still getting it tune but as of right now this is how my car is doing.

2nd to 3rd gear 40-80 is much faster. I never tested 3rd gear to 4th 40 to 100mph.

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made 460 on pump 93.
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      08-04-2019, 05:20 PM   #7
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made 460 on pump 93.
548 on e60.
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If the pump was 1000 dollars I would justify getting it. I think I might go meth injection instead. 548whp must be a lot of fun lol.
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My opinion having had a e90 and now my n55 with a ps2. If you're looking for more umpf and trying only for 400 I would go PS1. There's is a noticeable delay in boost on my PS2. With a tune, a PS1 will give the off-the-line upgrade and it won't die on the top end either. However, if you want to remove your stock limiter and hit 180mph and smash other cars on the top end then go PS2. IMHO
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My opinion having had a e90 and now my n55 with a ps2. If you're looking for more umpf and trying only for 400 I would go PS1. There's is a noticeable delay in boost on my PS2. With a tune, a PS1 will give the off-the-line upgrade and it won't die on the top end either. However, if you want to remove your stock limiter and hit 180mph and smash other cars on the top end then go PS2. IMHO
I raced a cls 63 amg yesterday and I stayed half a car length on him up till 115mph from 40mph.

I want to be at least 550whp and I will be happy with this car.

Plus if you referring to the lag from dig than I have no problem with that as xHP launch control does wonders. On stop watch with launch control I did 3.67sec 0 - 60 with stock launch control settings (keep in mind mine is AWD). I have raised the launch control power limit to 25 percent over stock and yet to test it. I know stop watch numbers don't prove anything but it was a test for my self. I want to get the dragy, but I got some other expenses right now.

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      08-23-2019, 02:57 AM   #10
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What kind of mods are needed to go PS2. I got a f10 2010 535i it just feels so slow. is it worht investing in a PS2 or should i just sell and got something else?
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What kind of mods are needed to go PS2. I got a f10 2010 535i it just feels so slow. is it worht investing in a PS2 or should i just sell and got something else?
F10 M5's are in the affordable range now but if you stay with your 2010 PWG it's still hard to max power out. You'll need:
PS2
FMIC
Proper bench flash
LPFP Stage 2
Port injection

Even then a stock M5 is going to put the power down on us. If you can afford to switch out cars it's worth looking into.
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F10 M5's are in the affordable range now but if you stay with your 2010 PWG it's still hard to max power out. You'll need:
PS2
FMIC
Proper bench flash
LPFP Stage 2
Port injection

Even then a stock M5 is going to put the power down on us. If you can afford to switch out cars it's worth looking into.
That... If I didn't upgrade to ps2 than I would of went for m5 lol. But I don't know I am ready to deal with m problems and price tags for parts. The new m340i looks sexy option.
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F10 M5's are in the affordable range now but if you stay with your 2010 PWG it's still hard to max power out. You'll need:
PS2
FMIC
Proper bench flash
LPFP Stage 2
Port injection

Even then a stock M5 is going to put the power down on us. If you can afford to switch out cars it's worth looking into.
That... If I didn't upgrade to ps2 than I would of went for m5 lol. But I don't know I am ready to deal with m problems and price tags for parts. The new m340i looks sexy option.
M340i is a beast! And MissionPerformance has a hpfp upgrade for it that takes it to ridiculous levels.
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      08-25-2019, 09:34 PM   #14
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If you're looking for more umpf and trying only for 400 I would go PS1. A PS1 will give the off-the-line upgrade and it won't die on the top end either.

Does this go for both PWG and EWG ?

Or just PWG ?
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      08-26-2019, 04:50 PM   #15
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Does this go for both PWG and EWG ?

Or just PWG ?
Just PWG.... From what I read it is not worth to put pure stage 1 on EWG because for the cost the power gains are very small.
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