[medphysdave]

10.2:1 is higher than expected for a turbo motor.

[IS3andME]

Originally Posted by M3 Adjuster

Nah to both - at least this one is designed so it can can stay on the road. The z28 seems to be a work In progress


http://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars...e-nurburgring/

Yep, it's shaping up to look super good, and sounds super badass
[u2b] http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=JPe_mYM47z0[/u2b]

[medphysdave]

Originally Posted by synergist

They already have a design that I think is perfect. Please BMW make this the CSL!

I think that this is exactly what I want from a visual perspective. This actually looks like a more refined version of the 2002 concept. I don't think that something like this is too far-fetched.

[JustChris]

Still we wait patiently.



Want this variant so much

[JTO24]

I got on a waiting list for this car, just in case lol

[blackholescion]

Originally Posted by medphysdave

10.2:1 is higher than expected for a turbo motor.

Direct injection. High compression, medium boost, and lots of torquey smiles.

[Artemis]

Cross-reference to a new thread about an M2 variant ("M2 gets an S55 with 400bhp in 2017!"): http://f87.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho....php?t=1304351

Apparently based on info from German boards:

• http://www.f30-forum.de/board1-f30-f...tml#post185856
• http://www.f30-forum.de/board1-f30-f...tml#post185947
• http://www.2ertalk.de/topic/2533-bmw-m2-csl/?p=71194

In those threads production of a 400hp M2 variant is rumored for 2017 and ranges from 200, 500 (also 500), 800 to 5000 (CS) cars and prices ranging from at least €100K to €120K + a "450hp variant à la M4 GTS" for 2018.

[Karmic Man]

Originally Posted by Artemis

Cross-reference to a new thread about an M2 variant ("M2 gets an S55 with 400bhp in 2017!"): http://f87.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho....php?t=1304351

Apparently based on info from German boards:

• http://www.f30-forum.de/board1-f30-f...tml#post185856
• http://www.f30-forum.de/board1-f30-f...tml#post185947
• http://www.2ertalk.de/topic/2533-bmw-m2-csl/?p=71194

In those threads production of a 400hp M2 variant is rumored for 2017 and ranges from 200, 500 (also 500), 800 to 5000 (CS) cars and prices ranging from at least €100K to €120K + a "450hp variant à la M4 GTS" for 2018.

Yes

I am quite certain the CS or Evolution version with the S55 will happen, don't ask me why.

Then there will also be the CSL/GTS for the M VIPs

[OrangeCrush]

Originally Posted by Karmic Man

Yes

I am quite certain the CS or Evolution version with the S55 will happen, don't ask me why.

Then there will also be the CSL/GTS for the M VIPs

Why?

[Artemis]

F22/F23/F87 are rumored to get an upgrade (Life Cycle Impulse) for MY2018 (Summer 2017) (see here).

Therefore, we may reasonably assume that the M2 will also feature most, if not all, the LCI features (such as LED lights).

As regards the M2 portfolio for MY2018, if rumors turn out to be accurate:

• a limited CS version (or different type name) with a bit more grunt (let's assume 400-ish hp) and less weight than the base M2 may see the light in about a year or so from now (MY2018) (incorporating the 2 series LCI updates);
• a very limited and expensive hardcore version (let's assume 450-ish hp) may show up someday in the future, likely before the end of the 2020 first gen M2 life cycle.

Speculation, that much is true, but not quite unreasonable IMHO. Of course, it could also be that - for cost reasons and M3/M4 hierarchy - just one M2 variant will ever be released during the first gen M2 life cycle. We don't know.

The competition also likes to differentiate its top dogs. Permanently working especially on the image/prestige of the brand with those low volume birds. Actually, Porsche is quite a champion at it. For example the Cayman GT4 was introduced less than a year after the introduction of the Cayman GTS (a move which may have upset some all-new Cayman GTS owners and induced trade-ins depending on availability):

• Porsche press release of March 19, 2014: introduction of the Boxster GTS and Cayman GTS models (Porsche department)
  http://press.porsche.com/news/release.php?id=853
  http://press.porsche.com/news/pdf/20...Cayman-GTS.pdf
• Porsche press release of February 3, 2015: introduction of the Cayman GT4 model (Porsche GT department)
  http://press.porsche.com/news/release.php?id=905
  http://press.porsche.com/news/pdf/20...Cayman-GT4.pdf

Dramatic power bump for the M2 required ? Let's think back for a moment about a former ///M car with highly comparable and tossable size to the M2: the E46 M3. From base E46 M3 to E46 M3 CSL: +17 hp (DIN):

• base E46 M3: 343 hp (DIN) at 7,900 rpm and 355 Nm or 262 lb-ft of torque at 4,900 rpm.
• E46 M3 CSL: 360 hp (DIN) at 7,900 rpm and 370 Nm or 273 lb-ft of torque at 4,300 rpm.

As regards the base M2, BMW officially quotes 272 kW - 370 hp (DIN) at 6,500 rpm and 465 (+50 Nm) - 343 lb-ft (+37 Nm) of torque at 1,400-5560 rpm.

But needless to say that - as usual - those are rather 'conservative' figures. In fact, during tests Akrapovič found out that the tested base M2 features 284.3 kW - 386.5 hp (DIN) at 5,500 rpm and 558.8 Nm - 412.1 lb-ft of torque at 2,500 rpm (see here). As Akrapovič officially claims those figures, for sure they can back these up with verifiable test results.

Hence, no dramatic hp increase is required to bump the M2 to 400hp (DIN) for a special version, officially quoting 385hp (DIN) or so. However, there's a catch. BMW M already pushed the envelope of the N55 engine for the base M2. The margin that's left for a power bump is rather tight. Also DINAN came to that conclusion after testing the base M2 (see here):

"Dinan F87 M2 DINANTRONICS Stage 1
Description: The backbone of any tuned setup is the engine tune itself which allows optimization of boost, air, fuel, and lambda targets among other variables. These specific parameters allow the car to safely extract as much power as possible out of the engine. On the M2 this task is especially daunting given how close to the edge of its capability the N55 and its turbo are tuned from the factory. BMW did not leave a lot on the table to work with in terms of additional power output as the turbos are taxed heavily out of the gate. In fact, in its stock configuration, the M2 is nearly the equivalent of a Dinan stage 3 tuned M235i (the stage just short of the big turbo and associated tuning). That is not to say improvements could not be made and the power band improved however. In its stage 1 form, peak number increases were limited but max gains were recorded as high as 31 HP and 31 lb-ft of torque in some cases. Gains average 12-15 HP/lb-ft increases across the power band however. While by the numbers it may not look like much, it feels more fluid and eager on the road. Power simply comes on more noticeably at 3500 RPM and the tuner continues to hold the increases all the way to red-line for a more enjoyable experience. It's a great foundation to build upon while we explore the big turbo possibilities and extract what we expect to be very solid gains out of that next step."

To bypass the N55 engine limitation, BMW could shift to Plan B: exit N55 - enter S55 (or another engine, but that may require too much (re)work, costs and time for development).

Let's see what M2 card(s) BMW has up its sleeve.

[Artemis]

The German source who recently quoted that the M2 gets the S55 engine in 2017 confirmed today that the information (scoop) comes from "a very reliable source":

"Oh dear, I caused a stir. [...]
I'm also pleased that my comment is considered to be a "reliable source" - also in many other forums, in which high importance was attached to my post!
Even so I would like to say something essential:
That the S55 will be built into the M2 from March [2017] onwards, is actually merely inside(r) information, which comes from a very reliable source.
Evidently, I cannot disclose this source... [...]
I cannot and may not go further into detail...sorry!
For sure it will not take too long until an official announcement regarding the "M2 Engine" topic will be made..."
"Oha, da habe ich ja etwas losgetreten. [...]
Es freut mich auch, dass meine Angaben als "sichere Quelle" angesehen werden- auch in zahlreichen anderen Foren, in denen mein Post unerwartet für großes Aufsehen gesorgt hat!
Dennoch möchte ich dazu noch etwas Grundlegendes sagen:
Das der S55 ab März in den M2 verbaut werden soll, ist aktuell nur eine Insiderinfo, die aus einer sehr verlässlichen Quelle kommt.
Das ich diese Quelle nicht benennen kann, versteht sich von selbst... [...]
Weiter ins Detail kann und darf ich nicht gehen...sorry!
Sicherlich wird es nicht mehr all zu lange dauern, bis es auch eine offizielle Verlautbahrung zum Thema "M2-Motor" geben wird..."
(source: here)

Furthermore he points out that an early engine change for a model is not quite uncommon at BMW + the argument of further positioning of the M2 amid the M240i and M3/M4.

FWIW. The audience is listening.

[M3 Adjuster]

Squirreling sway pennies and dimes for my S55 powered M2 CSL.

A 2018 model works fine for me, my 1M is only seeing about 6-7k miles a year ...

[oldmanstyle]

Y'all crazy. No way they swap out a motor that they already tweaked just for this car.

[medphysdave]

I'm hoping it's 2018, as that's what works for me financially. I'm not sure if I'll buy if it doesn't have the S55, as I'd really like the extra head room. On the other hand. I likely wouldn't mod the car anyway due to concern about impacting value.

Even if power remained the same, lowering the weight would make it fun.

[CosmosMpower]

Freaking nerds, putting names on waiting lists for cars that don't exist. Is this my BMW forum tab or Porsche forum tab in my browser?

[bryan_G01]

carbon ceramic brakes tho?
Roll cage?
Recaro FIA approved seats?
CF door cards?

Take my money, and i'll see you at the track!

[bruin1md]

Originally Posted by Artemis

The German source who recently quoted that the M2 gets the S55 engine in 2017 confirmed today that the information (scoop) comes from "a very reliable source":

"Oh dear, I caused a stir. [...]
I'm also pleased that my comment is considered to be a "reliable source" - also in many other forums, in which high importance was attached to my post!
Even so I would like to say something essential:
That the S55 will be built into the M2 from March [2017] onwards, is actually merely inside(r) information, which comes from a very reliable source.
Evidently, I cannot disclose this source... [...]
I cannot and may not go further into detail...sorry!
For sure it will not take too long until an official announcement regarding the "M2 Engine" topic will be made..."
"Oha, da habe ich ja etwas losgetreten. [...]
Es freut mich auch, dass meine Angaben als "sichere Quelle" angesehen werden- auch in zahlreichen anderen Foren, in denen mein Post unerwartet für großes Aufsehen gesorgt hat!
Dennoch möchte ich dazu noch etwas Grundlegendes sagen:
Das der S55 ab März in den M2 verbaut werden soll, ist aktuell nur eine Insiderinfo, die aus einer sehr verlässlichen Quelle kommt.
Das ich diese Quelle nicht benennen kann, versteht sich von selbst... [...]
Weiter ins Detail kann und darf ich nicht gehen...sorry!
Sicherlich wird es nicht mehr all zu lange dauern, bis es auch eine offizielle Verlautbahrung zum Thema "M2-Motor" geben wird..."
(source: here)

Furthermore he points out that an early engine change for a model is not quite uncommon at BMW + the argument of further positioning of the M2 amid the M240i and M3/M4.

FWIW. The audience is listening.

Does anyone here with some legit knowledge put any stock in this?

I have to decide whether to pull the trigger on an order in the next week for a car that will go into production in November.
If the M2 gets a S55 engine next year, I'm going to be very pissed.
Then again, if it does get this engine, the cost is sure to go way up, not to mention the driving dynamics changing considerably.

[medphysdave]

If I had the ability to place an order, then I would go ahead and do it. Hate to kick yourself when it's a super limited edition that you can't get a hold of.

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by bruin1md

Does anyone here with some legit knowledge put any stock in this?
I have to decide whether to pull the trigger on an order in the next week for a car that will go into production in November.
If the M2 gets a S55 engine next year, I'm going to be very pissed.
Then again, if it does get this engine, the cost is sure to go way up, not to mention the driving dynamics changing considerably.

Only BMW knows. All the rest is speculation.

My guess is that the M2 gets the 2er LCI (Life Cycle Impulse) next Summer (MY 2018) + a new variant will be added to the M2 line-up: the M2 CS. Thus the base M2 + the M2 CS (more expensive and harder to get). First gen M2 production is scheduled till 2020. Subsequently: second gen M2.

Porsche didn't stop offering the Cayman S after introducing the Cayman GTS and Cayman GT4.

If BMW would replace the base M2 with the M2 CS, it would undermine its "entry model" strategy targeting new younger customers for the ///M brand: the M2 CS will be harder edged and more expensive. Diversification helps to remain attractive to potential customers driving BMW and/or premium models of competing brands (Porsche, Audi, Mercedes, etc.).

If I were you I would ask myself a couple of questions:

• do I really wanna skip the opportunity of a great car that - unlike a lot of people on waiting lists - I can still enjoy to bits this year and which normally will keep decent resale value: the base M2 ?
• do I want the car this year or do I prefer to take a deep breath and hold out for the LCI next Summer/Autumn ?
• do I want to dig deeper inside my pockets (eventually burn a hole in it ?) to splash M4 cash on the M2 variant + risk that I won't get a MY2018 at MSRP or - even worse - won't ever get one at all without 'the right connections' (low quantities vs high demand) + likely more track-oriented than DD oriented (if DD matters to you) ?
• do I want to take the risk that the long wait could all be a big waste of time and that, once I'll wake up and smell the roses late 2017, I get myself an Audi or Merc out of frustration ?

[ryem3]

Has anyone commented that the car testing at the ring certainly doesn't look like a hot,limited edition csl? Looks like an m2 getting an s55 engine...

[buckybadger]

Originally Posted by Artemis

Only BMW knows. All the rest is speculation.

My guess is that the M2 gets the 2er LCI (Life Cycle Impulse) next Summer (MY 2018) + a new variant will be added to the M2 line-up: the M2 CS. Thus the base M2 + the M2 CS (more expensive and harder to get). First gen M2 production is scheduled till 2020. Subsequently: second gen M2.

Porsche didn't stop offering the Cayman S after introducing the Cayman GTS and Cayman GT4.

If BMW would replace the base M2 with the M2 CS, it would undermine its "entry model" strategy targeting new younger customers for the ///M brand: the M2 CS will be harder edged and more expensive. Diversification helps to remain attractive to potential customers driving BMW and/or premium models of competing brands (Porsche, Audi, Mercedes, etc.).

If I were you I would ask myself a couple of questions:

• do I really wanna skip the opportunity of a great car that - unlike a lot of people on waiting lists - I can still enjoy to bits this year and which normally will keep decent resale value: the base M2 ?
• do I want the car this year or do I prefer to take a deep breath and hold out for the LCI next Summer/Autumn ?
• do I want to dig deeper inside my pockets (eventually burn a hole in it ?) to splash M4 cash on the M2 variant + risk that I won't get a MY2018 at MSRP or - even worse - won't ever get one at all without 'the right connections' (low quantities vs high demand) + likely more track-oriented than DD oriented (if DD matters to you) ?
• do I want to take the risk that the long wait could all be a big waste of time and that, once I'll wake up and smell the roses late 2017, I get myself an Audi or Merc out of frustration ?

We may not see a 2nd gen M2 as well.

http://www.bmwofasheville.com/blog/2...-the-works.htm

"This will replace the current N55 engine, which itself was just modified recently. A variant of the S55 engine is already available for the current BMW M3 and BMW M4. Being that the BMW M2 is smaller than its cousins, having an S55 engine is expected to translate to more torque, power, and responsiveness."

"Beyond the engine, the vehicle exterior is expected to undergo some changes as well. This includes the addition of a carbon roof and a one-piece carbon fiber propeller shaft."

[Artemis]

But then again, FWIW, there is this message by a BMW dealer in the US (though phrased with reservation à la "believed", "rumors", "possible", etc.):

2018 BMW M2 CS Rumored to Be in the Works
Thursday, 22 September, 2016
Lars Roman
It was not that long ago that the BMW brand introduced a subcompact performance car in the form of the BMW M2. The vehicle is now believed to be taking its next evolutionary step with news of a possible 2018 BMW M2 CS. With this new model comes a refreshed facelift and technology upgrades.
The biggest buzz involves rumors of a new inline six-cylinder S55 engine said to deliver 400 horsepower. This will replace the current N55 engine, which itself was just modified recently. A variant of the S55 engine is already available for the current BMW M3 and BMW M4. Being that the BMW M2 is smaller than its cousins, having an S55 engine is expected to translate to more torque, power, and responsiveness.
Beyond the engine, the vehicle exterior is expected to undergo some changes as well. This includes the addition of a carbon roof and a one-piece carbon fiber propeller shaft.
If you cannot wait until 2018 for the BMW M2 CS, you can always check out the current 2016 BMW M2. This model year, after all, has made headlines of its own after being voted "best new design" in the compact car category by German car news site Auto Motor und Sport. It blew all other contestants away, receiving 34.3 percent of total votes. Visit BMW of Asheville to check it out or look up any other new 2016 BMW car.
You can also check out its bigger cousins, like the aforementioned BMW M3, which was recently a recipient of Edmund's Best Retained Value Awards for 2016. This means the car still retains high value after five years of ownership. You can check out a new or pre-owned BMW M3 near Greenville, NC at BMW of Asheville today!
(Source: here)

So I could be completely wrong with my base M2 + M2 CS guessing.

Hat tip to forum fellow mintoo for the heads-up.