[Alfisti]

Damn I didn't know that, i've never financed through a dealer, just use the HELOC as the advertised dealer rates are so high.

[AlpineBoost]

Originally Posted by Alfisti

If financing through a dealer I agree as rates will be super crazy on a used car, if you're using one's HELOC i'm willing to bet you finish in front with the 997 after 7 years unless doing big miles.

Yeah, I wasn't just thinking of interest rates, more new vs preowned, original warranty, cost to repair, etc. I'm sure there are people who take out $50k loans for 60+ months on 10 year old cars. It's not for me but to each their own.

I've never needed to take out a HELOC, but the current rates on cars 2014 or older for both credit unions that I use are over 5%. That's actually not as bad as I remember, but too high to me for that long of a term when on a new car I can get 0-2% and have less to worry about.

[supra93]

https://www.nissanzclub.com/forum/th...e-5#post-26898

[JasonCSU]

Originally Posted by Bimmer Pleaser

I have so many questions like why did you use to be happy with paying MSRP? up until 2020 sticker price was for chumps (no offense). Also, $30k over MSRP for new Nissan ... LMAO what?

I'm not happy paying MSRP, but depending on the situation, that may be the only option. When I bought my 135 back in '08, it was a brand new model and none of the dealers around here were negotiating below MSRP. I picked my car up on European Delivery, so it ended up being far less than MSRP anyway.

When I was shopping for a 1M in 2011, many dealers were adding markups with it being a limited model. I know a few people were lucky to get one under MSRP, but most dealers were at MSRP or higher and they told customers TS if they didn't like it.

In this current market, I would be fine with MSRP on a new Z. After hearing dealers are planning on $10-$30k markups, count me out. I'm sure they will find people willing to pay those amounts though, just look at the new Bronco for example.

Our plan now is to go with a 2022 M240, and I have found one for less than MSRP.

[MmmmmM2]

What would be NICE is if we actually knew when the car will be RELEASED! C'mon Nissan!

[supra93]

Forsberg Formula Drift Nissan Z Unveiled

https://www.nissanzclub.com/forum/th...unveiled.1027/

[tranquility]

Originally Posted by supra93

https://www.nissanzclub.com/forum/th...e-5#post-26898

Looks pretty sweet.

Why does the red one look smaller? Yes, the 1st one the angle creates an illusion but even in the 2nd one?

[Alfisti]

Camera is closer on the right side than the left, not being held square.

[G MONEY]

Originally Posted by tranquility

Looks pretty sweet.

Why does the red one look smaller? Yes, the 1st one the angle creates an illusion but even in the 2nd one?

Mustang meet?

[tranquility]

Originally Posted by G MONEY

Mustang meet?

Wut?? That did not make one sense at all! LOL.

[G MONEY]

Originally Posted by tranquility

Wut?? That did not make one sense at all! LOL.

I get a mustang vibe from the back of these new
Ones. Just my
Opinion

[M3WC]

Originally Posted by G MONEY

I get a mustang vibe from the back of these new
Ones. Just my
Opinion

Yeah I'm see that at all?

Just looks like a retro 300z.

[G MONEY]

Originally Posted by M3WC

Yeah I'm see that at all?

Just looks like a retro 300z.

I had a 91 turbo and a 2003 track with a supercharger. Always was a fan of the Z cars. This one is not my favorite in the looks category

[HerkHealer]

I dont like the looks of this at all, and I LOVED the old Z cars.

The new BMW M2 Comp, for about the same price, will destroy this in every way.

[tranquility]

Originally Posted by G MONEY

I get a mustang vibe from the back of these new
Ones. Just my
Opinion

Oic, I thought you were replying to my question so got confused haha.

[G MONEY]

Originally Posted by tranquility

Oic, I thought you were replying to my question so got confused haha.

Lol. All good homie.

[M3WC]

Originally Posted by HerkHealer

The new BMW M2 Comp, for about the same price, will destroy this in every way.

Not even remotely in the same price category.

[HerkHealer]

Originally Posted by M3WC

Not even remotely in the same price category.

If the base price for this car is in the low to mid 40's, a loaded one will be high 50's.....
The 2022 M2 Comp is $58k.

The 2022 M2 is even lower. Even the regular M2 would crush this new Z.

[JasonCSU]

Originally Posted by HerkHealer

If the base price for this car is in the low to mid 40's, a loaded one will be high 50's.....
The 2022 M2 Comp is $58k.

The 2022 M2 is even lower. Even the regular M2 would crush this new Z.

Except, a 2022 M2 Competition doesn't exist, nor does a base M2.

[HerkHealer]

Originally Posted by JasonCSU

Except, a 2022 M2 Competition doesn't exist, nor does a base M2.

Ha ! You're correct. I meant the upcoming 2023 M2......oopsie.

[Alfisti]

This is interesting debate. So let's do a proper side by side as european cars have heavy options premiums. What's a base M2 gonna cost vs a base Z and what are the specs?

[OkieSnuffBox]

Originally Posted by HerkHealer

If the base price for this car is in the low to mid 40's, a loaded one will be high 50's.....
The 2022 M2 Comp is $58k.

The 2022 M2 is even lower. Even the regular M2 would crush this new Z.

There aren't that many options. It's basically which trim level you want.

The Performance trim will be around ~$50k which gets you the better stereo, wheels, diff, etc. Even the M240 starts at basically $50k.

I would bet the '23 M2 starting at ~$58-60k.