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02-21-2018, 07:54 PM | #1 |
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I Normally Like Japanese Cars Subarus,Hondas,Acuras (Etc.) Anyways I Was Curious To See How Reliable A 528i With Performance Upgrades Such As A Downpipe And Maybe A Little Tune Or Possibly An M3 Completely Don't Know Much About German Cars Again Took A Ride In My Brothers 528xi And Loved It
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02-21-2018, 08:49 PM | #2 | |
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I would say that in general, a "German" car would have, more often than not: - a safer structure - more durable bodywork - higher level of innovation (read: risk in engineering) - proper handling - great brakes - capable of autobahn cruising - excellent seats (usually more firm and better at long distance) - better interior materials s/a rubber and vinyl (my Enclave started to "fray" too early) - more likely to use premium grade fuel or diesel - more original styling (if not a bit conservative) - superior transmissions (especially heavy duty performance oriented) Even the most unreliable German cars can at least be fixed, unlike some other cars with unadjustable wheel alignment, poorly designed fuel injection, and dubious electronics over the years from other countries. You still get what you pay for too. German mechanics have had a higher stature in society than other countries and are often needed to have special skills and knowledge to properly keep up with German cars. These are generalizations, of course, with many exceptions, but perhaps it is helpful. There are some great new and older cars from Jaguar, Honda, Toyota, Mazda, and others, but not as consistently over the years as from Germany. Technology advances have made all cars somewhat alike in many ways so that even French and Italian cars are worth a look. The German economy is such that it has highly skilled independent craftsmen that are able to support the massive automobile manufacturing with precision and durability (s/a special tooling, metal work). Japan, northern Italy, England, Sweden and others as well as the USA have this but perhaps not as consistently as Germany. South Korea has been a notable actor of late with their own vertical integration, i.e. ownership of iron works etc. Bimmers tend to be more "cutting edge" in tech and have been leaders in car electronics as well as integrating sportiness into their cars, but things keep changing there and many feel they have lost their edge lately, but I beg to differ. Going right into modifying a BMW takes a bit of technical knowledge and skill, so using a known shop seems a bit safer than DIY. Good shopping! PL |
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02-22-2018, 12:59 AM | #5 |
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One thing I noticed with my 1st BMW was it seems BMW's philosophy is why use a push-pin fastener when a screw will do. IIRC there are something like 15 screws holding the lower front splash shield! My 535i feels much more solid than any American or Japanese car I've owned.
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Also be sure to look into an extended warranty. You might never have to use it in the time you own the car but if something does go wrong, atleast you're covered. |
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02-22-2018, 02:44 PM | #7 |
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Watch out for N20 Timing Chain guide issues. Early versions (2012-2015 IIRC) fail frequently around 100k miles. The result is catastrophic. Ask my co-worker who is looking at pretty much worthless 2012 with 110K miles. Car without problem is worth $14k. Repair is about $14k.
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Agree with the responses here. U can only do so much performance wise on the 528. I would look into a 535i or even better yet a 550i
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BMW is in a league of its own. There is no comparison. I just purchased a 528i xDrive for commuting purposes. I get 36 mpg and if I put it in sport mode, it will snap your head back pretty impressively. Now if you want pure performance...a M car is the answer, no question.
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03-08-2018, 06:22 PM | #12 |
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BMW are more fun and higher quality than Japanese cars ... That being said expect a big dip in reliability vs what you are used to.
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So yeah, your extended warranty WILL be used...get one. Lower models like the 528 or 535 seem to have less motor issues but all the others things and failures that other 5-series have apply. Btw if you do your own service, repairs, and maintenance be prepared to learn a whole new way of doing things. I'm a seasoned mechanic and my F10 threw me for a loop in having to learn to work on a car BMW's way, not the way that cars are generally repaired. Its even more difficult because most BMW enthusiasts (that I've seen) take their cars back to the dealers for repair work so there aren't many online tutorials to guide a nOOb on how to repair his awesome "new" car. The repairs are doable, but don't expect much in the way of online support unless you have a dealer reciept and people recommending you which other expensive service center to take it to. For the record, I LOVE the car and won't get rid of it, just be warned to be prepared to get quite a lesson in learning new ways to do things. The driving dynamics and driving experience come at a price so be prepared for it. You've been warned... |
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03-15-2018, 12:23 AM | #17 |
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I actually mis-read that and didn't notice when he said to expect a big dip in reliability. That I can agree with. By far Bimmers have the upper hand when it comes to quality...reliability in my experience has been not so much.
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03-15-2018, 08:02 AM | #18 |
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BMW has in the past had a reputation for leaky/blown gaskets and lower quality control and cost than Mercedes (at least in Europe). Mercedes was the more conservative carmaker known for longevity and "over engineering."
Mercedes had to take a hit around 1988 when BMW was making strong strides (the only automaker to make a profit at the time) in NA market share by lowering their quality standards (C-class) in order to compete. BMW has it's upside: you still get what you pay for, but BMW has more "cutting edge" innovation (iDrive, diesel - both which BMW leads the market with) which causes more risk. There's a reason Toyota's reputation is so solid with reliability - they rarely take engineering "risks" and when they do, they put a lot of money and effort into it (Prius). |
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03-15-2018, 01:29 PM | #19 |
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Im glad its good now
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I would also add that modding a BMW is A LOT more expensive than modding a Japanese car, however I have seen my dollar go further in the modification or my BMW than the G35 I had. Im sure a large part is due to the turbos. |
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03-16-2018, 08:39 AM | #21 |
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Hi everyone.
Im new to the forum as you can see. i need some advice before i purchase my first F10. Its a 525d m sport 2011. But it doesn't have the flappy paddle's on the steering wheel and the sport, comfort button on the centre console. Nor a reversing camera. Is this common on these cars? as I have seen this on lots of other 2011 F10's? was this an optional extra at factory? sorry im a newbie and need some guidance. kind regards Kaz |
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