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      01-20-2016, 03:16 AM   #23
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Hi jabroni80, is your car produced before March 2011, according to my search on this before end of last year - see below, only cars produced before 1st March 2011 are impacted by this issue, curious to see if this is true.
My car was produced in May 2011, never the less still worried my one is also a possible candidate! Also how can you tell when diesel engines rattle any way with cold weather?
Both my car and my wife are equipped with the N47 (F10 and X3) so love to know how to tell something is up before too late.

The following models have the problem:

- E81/E82/E87/E88 116d/118d/120d - LCI cars built before 01/03/2011 only
- E90/E91/E92/E93 316d/318d/320d built between September 2007 and 01/03/2011 (anything with Efficient Dynamics could have the problem if it's built before 01/03/2011)
- E60/E61 LCI 520d built after September 2007 (models with Efficient Dynamcs, LCI 520ds built before September 2007 do not have this problem as they didn't change the engine until a few months after the LCI model was introduced)
- F10/F11 520d with a build date of before 01/03/2011
- E84 X1 18d/20d/23d with a build date of before 01/03/2011
- E83 X3 2.0d built after September 2007
- F25 X3 xDrive20d with a build date of before 01/03/2011

Models built between 05/01/2009 and 01/03/2011 do not require as many parts to be changed as those built before those dates.

There is no problem with N47 engines built after 01/03/2011 (for now).
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Absolutely correct Mustang....

I read the article regarding car produced before 1/3/11. My car was registered in 31/3/11 so in all likelihood produced before the cut off date. When I spoke to the indy garages they were telling me this issue is far more prevalent on older cars but they had done a number of f10/11 cars up to late 2012.
Really all I can suggest is getting a reputable independent to give your car the once over and if its ok keep Bmw approved oil changes regularly. You'll know yourself if the car dosent sound right I noticed the change when idling straightaway. My wife thought I was going mad and just told me to turn the stereo up
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      01-20-2016, 04:27 AM   #24
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Some info guys..

I had a 2012 120d n47 registered sep 2012 and my timing chains were replaced at 32000 !!!

My car was fitted with the latest and final guides which were not released till 2013.

I now have a 520d n47 reg Oct 2012 40000 and I have just had the turbo replaced...no excessive noise from the timming chains...yet.

But time will tell.
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      01-20-2016, 08:02 AM   #25
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jabroni80,

What I was saying was to change the oil more regularly than the service schedule and use different oil.

The CBS may require an oil change up to every 19,000. I would half that. A main dealer may use the cheapest LL04 oil it can, I would use Castrol Edge LL04.

It's quite possible that the first owner may have done horrible things to your car, which will never be known.
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My 2012 520d had the guides and chain replaced at circa 35k miles.

Started in much the same way as jabroni80 has experienced - very faint ticking noise from the engine bay.

Took it into my local dealer who confirmed that there was an 'issue' with the guides and replaced them along with the chain.

Thankfully it was still under warranty so no nasty bills to cover, however it was in the dealership for the best part of a week. On the plus side they did give me a fully loaded F30 320d M-Sport whilst mine was being torn apart
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      01-20-2016, 04:35 PM   #27
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Very similar to my experience!

I had a 3 series m sport gt. Decent car but dosent compare to my 5.


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My 2012 520d had the guides and chain replaced at circa 35k miles.

Started in much the same way as jabroni80 has experienced - very faint ticking noise from the engine bay.

Took it into my local dealer who confirmed that there was an 'issue' with the guides and replaced them along with the chain.

Thankfully it was still under warranty so no nasty bills to cover, however it was in the dealership for the best part of a week. On the plus side they did give me a fully loaded F30 320d M-Sport whilst mine was being torn apart
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      01-20-2016, 04:41 PM   #28
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jabroni80,

What I was saying was to change the oil more regularly than the service schedule and use different oil.

The CBS may require an oil change up to every 19,000. I would half that. A main dealer may use the cheapest LL04 oil it can, I would use Castrol Edge LL04.

It's quite possible that the first owner may have done horrible things to your car, which will never be known.
Funny u should mention that.....my brother sent me a video regarding Bmw llo4 spec oil compared with castrol when heated to 400 degrees....

Cant post a link up for some reason?

You can find it on youtube by typing castrol edge vs bmw
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      01-21-2016, 02:32 AM   #29
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Hi folks, one small detail, BMW dropped Castrol as their oil supplier early 2015, and are now using Shell both for new cars and servicing.

http://www.prnewswire.com/news-relea...506745501.html


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Funny u should mention that.....my brother sent me a video regarding Bmw llo4 spec oil compared with castrol when heated to 400 degrees....

Cant post a link up for some reason?

You can find it on youtube by typing castrol edge vs bmw
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I used to make lubricating oil base stocks for one of the major oil companies.

I wouldn't get hung up on Castrol, Shell or Mobil spend far more money on lubricant technology than Castrol ever has.

I may well be wrong, but, I don't believe BMW ever actually used Castrol, it was just a marketing deal. I think Fuchs was initial fill in the factory and every BMW dealer I have used was using Shell for servicing.

Mobil 1 would be my choice and is what I have always used.

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      01-30-2016, 12:08 PM   #31
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Showing my ignorance, is the N47 in all 520d's 2010 to now?
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      01-30-2016, 03:16 PM   #32
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Showing my ignorance, is the N47 in all 520d's 2010 to now?
No..b47 from 2014 ish

N47 has retired
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      02-03-2017, 01:19 AM   #33
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My 2010 F10 520D started with a clatter yesterday morning so I took it to my local BMW specialist and it transpires that the tensioner had broken and the chain is very loose and stretched.

I now have to fork out £1500-£1700 for the repair as BMW say my model is not affected by the fault.

And my used car warranty won't pay out as they say it's not a mechanical failure (how they conclude to this I have no idea)

Sad times.
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      02-03-2017, 10:55 AM   #34
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E60/1 recall

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Thanks mate luckily the air leak should be far cheaper to repair.

To be honest although these timing chain issues shouldnt happen I may have been extremely unlucky as my car was registered 30 days before the final solution which appears to be safe so far. I maybe wrong but I think there has been 3 revisions since this problem first blighted the engine and I believe mines was fitted with the 2nd.

Bmw finally recalled e60/1 520d variants to fit a new tensioner and chain but this dosent apply to f10/f11 cars. I spoke to various independents near me and the were sick of the sight of this problem on e60s but did say it was rare to happen on f10s

I would agree with Pete and make sure oil servicing is regular.
I have an E61 520d with the N47 engine but I have never had any recall notice from BMW. Should I contact them or how dose this work. I've had a couple of services done by an indy, is this maybe why I am not getting a recall notice?
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There was never an actual recal, they called if a quality enhancement and it only applied to a select handful of cars fitted with the N47. The official document released can be found on page 3 of this e90 post.

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showth...1108243&page=3

As far as I know they are no longer doing the enhancement work.
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But further down the thread it shows

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Vehicles affected
E Series Motor Body
E60 E61 E81 E82 E83 N47 N47DKO N47S N47T E61 E60 E81 E82 E83 N47 N47S N47T N47DKO
E84 E87 E88 E90 E91 E87 E84 E88 E90 E91
E92 E93 F10 F11 F25 E93 E92 F10 F11 F25
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Case 2:

N47 engine, N47DKO, N47S, N47T production interval 05.01.2009 - 01.03.2011

In case of customer complaint replace the following parts:
(See Appendix, Art 8 to 10)
-11 8,506,652 31 Supply Chain bottom.
- 13 52 7 797 906 sprocket high pressure pump.
- 11 31 8 510 014 Supply Chain superior.
-11 7,797,899 31 Timing Chain Guide above.
-13 7,797,904 52 Timing Chain Guide below.
I'm now officially confused (doesn't take much) as to whether my car could still be claimed on from BMW as my engine is the N47T in an F10
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My car F10 520D is July 2011 build with N47D20O1 engine and the timing chain is currently making horrible noise both BMW dealer technician and indy have said the noise is due to the dreaded timing chain. Based on the information above, I had always believed timing chain problem would not affect my car as it was produced after March 2011.

To make matter worse as I mentioned in my earlier thread I am waiting for my G30 order. This incident is making me lose faith in BMW and I am not sure whether I should not cancel my G30 order. Especially as the dealer now seems to be back tracking on the guarantee value for my F10.

The indy says it is going to cost £1200.00 and BMW says about £2000.00 and would not be able to ask for BMW goodwill contribution until they have stripped the engine and officially diagnose the fault

So which way should I go for repair? Indy or BMW dealer?
Should I cancel my G30 order as I tend to hold to my cars for long periods
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My car F10 520D is July 2011 build with N47D20O1 engine and the timing chain is currently making horrible noise both BMW dealer technician and indy have said the noise is due to the dreaded timing chain. Based on the information above, I had always believed timing chain problem would not affect my car as it was produced after March 2011.

To make matter worse as I mentioned in my earlier thread I am waiting for my G30 order. This incident is making me lose faith in BMW and I am not sure whether I should not cancel my G30 order. Especially as the dealer now seems to be back tracking on the guarantee value for my F10.

The indy says it is going to cost £1200.00 and BMW says about £2000.00 and would not be able to ask for BMW goodwill contribution until they have stripped the engine and officially diagnose the fault

So which way should I go for repair? Indy or BMW dealer?
Should I cancel my G30 order as I tend to hold to my cars for long periods
My view,
cancel the G30, and wait for values on the F10/11 to fall to a more realistic level. Most new cars are not value for money and certainly not a new BMW 5 series.
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My view,
cancel the G30, and wait for values on the F10/11 to fall to a more realistic level. Most new cars are not value for money and certainly not a new BMW 5 series.
I have this night to make up my mind whether to cancel G30 order or not
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525D

Does anybody know does the 3.0 525D have this timing chain issue?

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      06-16-2019, 11:24 AM   #41
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I've just hit the same problem - a timing chain breaking???? Have to say this is the second BMW I have owned (previous was a 330 Club Sport which the gear box failed on) - Going to get the work done, sell it and never touch BMW again.
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