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09-04-2015, 09:06 PM | #23 | |
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09-04-2015, 11:41 PM | #24 |
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The reason the dinan tune is $3000 is because Mr..Dinan says you paid $80,000 for a car you can pay 3% of that for my tune, it has nothing to do with their ability to tune the cars BS ecu! He's just a f'n rip off, but I'm sure someone will chime in talking about their warranty bs but they deny when ever they can.
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09-05-2015, 12:41 AM | #26 |
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There was not a Dyne on the property at the time. They kept shuffling the car back and forth to Dyno Lab in Marietta. To answer your question the may have used me as the prototype customer half winging it. Again that was three years ago. Call them up, they can give you more accurate answers. Tell Brett you spoke to Joe A the first 550i tune customer.
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And yes, you can say whatever you want, but statements like yours and comparing an old FBody tune with a common ECU that has been around since 1997 to a not only limited production car, but one that has only been in production since 2011, shows me we arent quite on the same playing field when it comes to validity of our arguments.
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If you want to keep holding out for Walmart to make a tune for your car, no one is stopping you, but if you notice everything I say in the tech section is usually backed up by experience and personal knowledge, not BS or "what ifs"
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It really wasnt about winning or losing, I was just trying to explain to you why the market is different with this car. I came from the same place you did with Mustangs, Corvettes and Camaros as my past car and was shocked to see an Axle back system cost $2800 from some places when its two mufflers, two tips and a couple 45 degree bends, which is why I built my own exhaust, but for things out of my control such as tuning, I was justifying the cost of other companies. Dinan is a premium company, and believe it or not, not ALL of their stuff is overpriced, especially once the warranty isnt factored in such as the E92 3 series where its "just" $1299. With that in mind, they are the ONLY company offering a tune for the N63 F10 and likely just want to pay off their investment instead of taking a loss. Hopefully as the 2011s are all dropping out of warranty now, they will drop their price to a standard cash and carry/non covered price, but even then for the lesser cost, I wouldnt be a player anyway due to sub par gains.
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the basics are just like the others, adds 2-3 lbs of boost (adjustable to your liking via flash program to the device) with the additional benefit of MAF sensor control and crank reference. This allows for the device to add more fuel as well as control boost by RPM. The downside about adding a blanket amount of boost in our cars (especially in areas with only 91 octane or warmer climates such as were we both live) is you can get a fair amount of detonation where the boost spikes and the car loads at lower RPMs. BMW likes to run these cars lean for emissions purposes as well as hot, and unfortunately without a flash there is no way to target a richer air fuel ratio, so the best you can do is a device like the ESS E-tronic where it tells the MAF sensors to add fuel and get it back to its target AFR as quickly as possible, instead of other devices where they will have to "learn" via fuel trims and adjust over time. Lastly with the crank reference, I can tell the computer where I want boost to come in, and not being an X drive (or wanting to hurt any drive line components), I have boost coming in from 3,000 rpm to redline, which I will be changing in the future to full boost at 3,000, 2 lbs at 2500 and 1 lb at 2,000 in an attempt to get a bit more sooner without inducing wheel spin (right now I can brake boost off the line and other than a tire squeal or two it takes off like a rocket with no wheel spin). It can store 3 different tunes as well as having the ability to modify the boost on each tune independently with the push of a button to switch, and it includes a terminator plug that returns all the connections their factory locations without having to unhook the harness in case you need to troubleshoot or take it in for service. As far as contstruction, it is light years better than the competition with true weather sealing and OE grade plugs/connectors/harnesses, and its significantly smaller as well. I wont say it makes any more horsepower than the competition because it doesnt... 3 lbs of boost is 3 lbs of boost is 3 lbs of boost no matter whos device adds it, but I like knowing its added safely and when I run 30% E85, its very easy to increase boost while im pumping gas, and then change back when im done. Some are running the JB Stage II which tricks the computer into retarding timing which allows for more boost, and of course more power, but most also complain of engine lights, malfunctions, surging and driveability issues (search the threads on here and N54tech, there are plenty), but if you want the most power regardless of downsides, thats the way to do it. I would like more power personally, but I daily drive my car and while also having a CPO warranty, I would sacrifice 20 extra horsepower for it driving like stock with significantly more than stock. With the reliability of the E-tronic, plus my dyno graph being nice and smooth and the identical air/fuel ratio as stock (exact overlay), im pretty happy with the way it runs.
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09-05-2015, 03:22 PM | #35 |
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Thanks, that sounds pretty good, can you tell me what your before and after dyno numbers are?
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It was a nice hot steamy day in Arizona thats 91 octane and 100% stock otherwise vs just adding a piggyback. Boost starts at 3500, but im going to try bringing it in sooner when I have time and see if I still get traction
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Wow not much of a drivetrain loss, these cars must be underrated. Is that increase in hp and tq super noticeable, can you really tell it's allot faster? I want to buy something to increase the power, some dude in c63 amg raced me awhile back ( freeway) and I had him to about 120mph and then he slowly started to pull away. I'm not sure if his car had upgrades or stock for stock they are faster, but I want more power. Should I have beat the amg?
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http://f10.5post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1162043 As far as my car, its a huge difference where you can see the factory power levels falling off pretty bad after the torque spike where as with the E-tronic, it maintains the boost to redline. I havent run it on the dyno with E85, but I turn the boost up a fair amount when it has 30% in the tank and it runs harder. Im going to try and dial it in lower, but unfortunately most on here running the 3 lb increase at all times have some severe tirespin issues (without xdrive obviously) and I also dont want to worry about detonation issues in the summer when loading it up in a lower gear to pass. |
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They are using a press release flash nothing special gains are minor. It used to get resold under many brands. Real tuning only available on dual DME cars n63 TU that is. In order to tune the dme has to be cracked open or drilled in yo, this way they can install tuners map, after that you can update tunes via odb2.
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Once mine is sold im just going to hunt for a well priced mid mileage N63tu car, or get a higher mileage M5. Regardless of what I can afford, I cant justify the price of the car encroaching on my mortgage payment.
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I hadn't thought about it that way, but the fact that by 2013 we were already seeing -TU engines is the reason everyone has given up on the original N63 flash tune. It can and is being done on the newer models, so yeah- why spend the time and money on an old design?
I bit the bullet and decided to keep my N63 550 so I'm just going to get a JB4 and have a local guy tweak it for me. If my firm keeps growing I'll be able to nab an Aston V8 for my 40th bday anyway, so this just needs to last the next 6 years lol.
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I have a theory, it's only a small one but could it be possible bmw purposely made it near impossible to tune the n63's dme because they didn't want the 550 to be more competitive with the m5's power with a simple tune and some exhaust upgrades. We all know with turbo cars turning up the boost will increase the power, I know the m5's turbos are bigger and the performance is based on much more than just the engine. In reality if a tuner in 2011 had a 550i m sport, tuned it and did some mods to the exhaust and intercoolers and it put out more power than the m5's before they even hit the streets in the US, that would of created a lot of media hype and the m5 for the price would seem like a bust. Remember guys it's only a theory but it sounds more feasible to me, what's say you?
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