[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by b4hand

He was next to him and he backed off before the corner. Seems like he tried to give room but not too much room. Max took the corner almost as if Hamilton was not even there when he was.

That's just the point of it . MAX was still the leader "IN" Copse turn .
Hammy shouldn't be there ...It looks like Hammy missed the Apex completely !

OK . I'll post it again ..

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by Killed by Death

Max was INJURED. Concussions are serious, cumulative in nature (CTE), shorten careers and claim lives.

Chronic traumatic encephalopathy (CTE) is a progressive and fatal brain disease associated with repeated traumatic brain injuries (TBIs), including concussions and repeated blows to the head. It is also associated with the development of dementia.

That explains the CTE scan Max had and thankfully was cleared though still shaken to a certain extent by it.

[b4hand]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

That's just the point of it . MAX was still the leader "IN" Copse turn .
Hammy shouldn't be there ...It looks like Hammy missed the Apex completely !

OK . I'll post it again ..

He was clearly alongside him, this is a race, not follow the leader. He was still given a penalty for it too.

[MKSixer]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

That explains the CTE scan Max had and thankfully was cleared though still shaken to a certain extent by it.

The scan is mandated once a certain G-force is reached in a crash. Nothing out of the ordinary.

[Ngilbe36]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

That's just the point of it . MAX was still the leader "IN" Copse turn .
Hammy shouldn't be there ...It looks like Hammy missed the Apex completely !

OK . I'll post it again ..

Would you for once in your life stop quoting the exact text and snipping the exact images out of context that agree with your opinion.

Your "Along side" snips are right after they were ACTUALLY along side eachother.
If you read Riccardo's entire interview it leans towards a racing incident. Same with Leclerc who was RIGHT behind them and has races Max wheel to wheel for his whole life and Alonso who is one of THE F1 veterans. Chill. Dude. Just Chill.

[M5Rick]

''Mercedes criticised Max's driving style despite the fact that Wolff has always praised Max's driving style''.
Jos has said that Wolff doesn't have to call him anymore either.

[MKSixer]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

That's just the point of it . MAX was still the leader "IN" Copse turn .
Hammy shouldn't be there ...It looks like Hammy missed the Apex completely !

OK . I'll post it again ..

You are being disingenuous. That isn't all RIC said. He also said that HAM isn't to blame for the collision.

[Killed by Death]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

That explains the CTE scan Max had and thankfully was cleared though still shaken to a certain extent by it.

Max fans better hope he can clear concussion problems before Hungary. Having had several they can linger and be difficult to shake off.

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by b4hand

He was clearly alongside him, this is a race, not follow the leader. He was still given a penalty for it too.

Hammy got the penalty ! This means that Hammy was at fault at Copse and NOT MAX .
MAX was leading IN Copse by half the car ...

[minn19]

Originally Posted by Killed by Death

Max fans better hope he can clear concussion problems before Hungary. Having had several they can linger and be difficult to shake off.

Do you have a link to said concussion diagnosis, I thought he was 100% cleared already?

[minn19]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

That's just the point of it . MAX was still the leader "IN" Copse turn .
Hammy shouldn't be there ...It looks like Hammy missed the Apex completely !

OK . I'll post it again ..

Post the part where he says VER went in too hot as well.

Edit: He said "But I think they were both going in hot" to be 100% accurate.

[Killed by Death]

Originally Posted by minn19

Do you have a link to said concussion diagnosis, I thought he was 100% cleared already?

I think he left the hospital but cleared to race highly unlikely. Max would have to be Superman to shake off a 50g hit overnight.

[minn19]

Originally Posted by Killed by Death

I think he left the hospital but cleared to race highly unlikely. Max would have to be Superman to shake off a 50g hit overnight.

So no and of course he'd be shaken/bruised but I've only seen reports of that and not a concussion etc. Nobody would expect he'd be good to go overnight and he doesn't have to be. Thankfully there is a couple week break until Hungary and then the summer break.

[ToddBlack88]

Originally Posted by GuidoK

What do you expect?
VER continuing to go straight in a bend?
There was almost a full carwidth room on the inside where HAM was.
So VER should leave 2 extra carwidth room?

HAM made a very dangerous move that caused VER to crash very hard.

Did HAM make VER crash very hard on purpose? No probably not.
Did HAM force his way to the inside (middle) of the corner while not being ahead creating a very dangerous situatlin? Yes.

It is that F1 cars are now so safe, but 25 years ago ther would have been a great risk of dying in such an incident as the speeds are very high in that particular corner

First off, glad to see Max is OK. Secondly, I am not a fan of either of them so take what you will from my opinion. I wished they both would have slid off “gently” so my boys in Orange could run up on Leclerc.

You are absolutely right, there was a full car width on the inside of Hamilton. There was also about 4 car widths on the outside of Verstappen as well as a large run off lane on the exit for running multiple cars through that corner.

In my opinion it looks like Hamilton was far enough along side Max going into the corner to earn his line, slowed slightly because of his shallower line into the corner. I think Max read the breaking as Hamilton backing out, which he obviously didn’t. Max turned in like nobody was there, but was wrong.

If you watch the slow motion of Max's inputs on the wheel from his onboard, you can see him turn in, (at this point Hamilton’s car cannot be seen by the onboard,) then correct left when he can see Hamilton’s car is there, then turn back sharper to the right when Hamilton’s car is still there.

I think Max expected Hamilton to back out, and we all know what happened. I think both guys could have played that better, but I think Max should have ran a wider line and they both would have come out clean, and then he and his RB would run away from there. MB has no answer for the RB, Max just needs to learn a bit of patience.

[tdott]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

Max could have been seriously injured because of HAM's dangerous driving, he was nearly knocked out by the 51G impact and has heavy bruising all over this body,that's the issue here and I'll be writing to FIA in Paris on this matter.

Perhaps next time he will back off and live to finish the race.

But of course an overly aggressive driver that he is known for, has not learned how/when to do that yet.

Remember when Max was leading the 2018 Brazilian GP and Ocon decided to race him?

[tdott]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

Hammy said : I was completely alongside of MAX side at Copse ...And MAX was too aggressive in his defense .
That's just BS from Hammy ! Hammy shouldn't be even there ...

Again you are choosing the wrong moment, show what it is like at turn in.



Hint, it's the top left pic.


Also go look at some of the other passes at that very corner. Alex even passed RAI there, yet Horner said no one ever passes there.

[tdott]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

We really missed you guys while MAX won 3 races in a row + Monaco and the poles !

I gave my comments on the races, they were good races. But nothing happened to discuss like this.

[tdott]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

That's just the point of it . MAX was still the leader "IN" Copse turn .
Hammy shouldn't be there ...It looks like Hammy missed the Apex completely !

Lol do you forget all the instances Max goes inside and runs the other guy off the track (Lec/etc..)

[minn19]

Originally Posted by tdott

Again you are choosing the wrong moment, show what it is like at turn in.



Hint, it's the top left pic.


Also go look at some of the other passes at that very corner. Alex even passed RAI there, yet Horner said no one ever passes there.

That's why Albon got fired!

This is where the rules get fuzzy. When does the 50% rule start? Especially at those speeds it is hundredths/thousandths of a second between those shots maybe?

[nick46]

Fuck me. You lot should listen to yourselves. Like a load of children.
Motorsport is dangerous and shit happens when you've got the best in the world fighting tooth and nail for a world championship. Every driver on the grid knows that every time they step in to the cockpit it could be the last. Isn't that part of the spectacle and what makes it exciting wondering just how far each driver is prepared to go in the quest for glory. That's part of the reason I love it so much. Yesterday was great and I can't wait to see what Max has got in response at the next race. The rest of the season has the potential to be one of the greatest!

[EdM5]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

As you know we are having the races at Spa-Francorchamps and Zandvoort .
If I was Hammy to come over here : "I would hire more bodyguards" !

Ok let's cut the crap! This is racing remember.

My take on this shit - as a Max compatriot.

Max had it coming. Period.

His elbows out combat style is always super aggressive and he has a a reputation of bullying all of his competitors into submission (notable exception Leclerc and maybe Ricciardo).
You cannot really expect a formidable opponent like Lewis to back out each time they fight for position. Anyone with a sense of F1 history knew that at one point it would get nasty between Lewis and Max.
The only thing is, you could argue that Copse corner is the wrong place to make contact. That was Lewis' mistake. The crash was horrific. But you cannot blame Lewis for sticking up for himself.

So all you fanboys please stop whining like little bitches and enjoy this possibly legendary rivalry!

[MKSixer]

Originally Posted by EdM5

Ok let's cut the crap! This is racing remember.

My take on this shit - as a Max compatriot.

Max had it coming. Period.

His elbows out combat style is always super aggressive and he has a a reputation of bullying all his competitors into submission (notable exception Leclerc and maybe Ricciardo).
You cannot really expect a formidable opponent like Lewis to back out each time they fight for position. Anyone with a sense of F1 history knew that at one point it would get nasty between Lewis and Max.
The only thing is, you could argue that Copse corner is the wrong place to make contact. That was Lewis' mistake. The crash was horrific. But you cannot blame Lewis for sticking up for himself.

So all you fanboys please stop whining like little bitches and enjoy this possibly legendary rivalry!

You sir, win The Internet today. Congratulations.

Thanks for the post which admits Max has an aggressive and bullying driving style that was likely to come to tears at some time. This is apparent to anyone who is reasonably fair. Thanks for posting this analysis.

Cheers-mk