[gblansten]

Originally Posted by x622

Amen. I wish Porsche, it's dealers, sales people and owners would just accept their brand isn't the most recent coming of christ and their shit stinks just like everyone else. I'll never forget my dogshit build quality on my 992 TTS. I know what goes on with Macans in terms of issues (all the previous gens), and the other issues Cayennes and their other platforms have.

I'll also say Teslas are built like garbage too, but I haven't been in the latest revisions. You have a 26 Model S P right? How's it put together versus the previous gens? Thinking about getting one as a beater car

I'm happy with the 26. It looks way way better than the 23. It still had that backseat rattle where the seat latches but that is fixed in under two minutes. My previous S Plaid was bulletproof. The fit and finish are not as good as the M's that I had. But it's a more nuanced thing. Nothing major.

[Alfisti]

Originally Posted by x622

Amen. I wish Porsche, it's dealers, sales people and owners would just accept their brand isn't the most recent coming of christ and their shit stinks just like everyone else. I'll never forget my dogshit build quality on my 992 TTS. I know what goes on with Macans in terms of issues (all the previous gens), and the other issues Cayennes and their other platforms have.

My chat is a 997 group and almost to a man no one will touch a Taycan, Macan or a Cayenne unless under warranty. A few own Panamera, especially the higher trim models which seem to be ok reliability wise.

[beats]

Originally Posted by Alfisti

My chat is a 997 group and almost to a man no one will touch a Taycan, Macan or a Cayenne unless under warranty. A few own Panamera, especially the higher trim models which seem to be ok reliability wise.

In fairness, a lot of newer, hi-tech & expensive cars can be a nightmare out of warranty. I'm not excusing or disputing anything re Porsche, however they are far from the only company in that situation.

[dreamingat30fps]

Originally Posted by x622

Amen. I wish Porsche, it's dealers, sales people and owners would just accept their brand isn't the most recent coming of christ and their shit stinks just like everyone else. I'll never forget my dogshit build quality on my 992 TTS. I know what goes on with Macans in terms of issues (all the previous gens), and the other issues Cayennes and their other platforms have.

I'll also say Teslas are built like garbage too, but I haven't been in the latest revisions. You have a 26 Model S P right? How's it put together versus the previous gens? Thinking about getting one as a beater car

I dipped my toes into Porsche with a Cayenne... not for me. Overall I liked the car, but I don't like it enough to deal with Porsche dealers and the Porsche tax.

I can't speak for the model S as I've only test driven it a few times and had it as loaners. However I've had 3 model 3s. The original one that came out around 2017, the refreshed one from 2020 and the latest Highland update. Interior wise I feel they have gotten better and better with each version. This latest one IMO feels much tighter than the previous ones. The ride is much much better than the previous gen.

They still have minor QC issues on the exterior like slightly uneven panel gaps, paint blemishes etc. On this latest one I had 2 paint imperfection issues and a pretty bad hood alignment. They honestly didn't bother me very much, especially since it's a lease, but I did finally after almost a year take it to the service center and they fixed all the issues.

[x622]

Originally Posted by dreamingat30fps

I dipped my toes into Porsche with a Cayenne... not for me. Overall I liked the car, but I don't like it enough to deal with Porsche dealers and the Porsche tax.

I can't speak for the model S as I've only test driven it a few times and had it as loaners. However I've had 3 model 3s. The original one that came out around 2017, the refreshed one from 2020 and the latest Highland update. Interior wise I feel they have gotten better and better with each version. This latest one IMO feels much tighter than the previous ones. The ride is much much better than the previous gen.

They still have minor QC issues on the exterior like slightly uneven panel gaps, paint blemishes etc. On this latest one I had 2 paint imperfection issues and a pretty bad hood alignment. They honestly didn't bother me very much, especially since it's a lease, but I did finally after almost a year take it to the service center and they fixed all the issues.

How's the bushings on those? The GF's Model Y perf's bushings disintegrated at only 12k miles and that's not with hard driving. We put sphericals in, but it still does not handle well. The regen is so aggressive it's hard to carry any speed in the corner, and even then it's akward and darty. Does not inspire confidence... This is why I'm gunshy about a Plaid S. I'd just throw all the unplugged suspension crap on it and CCBs, but it still might not be a good drive

[dreamingat30fps]

Originally Posted by x622

How's the bushings on those? The GF's Model Y perf's bushings disintegrated at only 12k miles and that's not with hard driving. We put sphericals in, but it still does not handle well. The regen is so aggressive it's hard to carry any speed in the corner, and even then it's akward and darty. Does not inspire confidence... This is why I'm gunshy about a Plaid S. I'd just throw all the unplugged suspension crap on it and CCBs, but it still might not be a good drive

I have not had any bushing issues on my model 3s. However none of them were high miles. My friend has a Y and a 3 and he thinks the ride on the Y is way worse than the 3. These are both pre update models. I have read about people having bushing issues, but I have not experience it personally.

I did have a plaid model X loaner recently... and honestly... it drove like shit compared to my new 3. I'm not talking about handling or anything like that, obviously it's much larger and will be worse, but just the ride quality and overall feel of it. Even with it's air suspension my 3 felt way better. To be fair, it was a loaner and it had like 50k miles on it compared to my new model 3 with less than 8k miles. I also have the standard aero wheels on mine because I wanted the best ride possible.

As for regen you use to be able to turn it off and/or set how aggressive it was but they removed that option. I do believe you can still do it with 3rd party options like the S3XY buttons, but I have not messed with it, I'm use to the regen and I like it the way it is. It's a get from point a to point b as quickly and comfortably as possible with the least stress vehicle for me.

[x622]

Originally Posted by dreamingat30fps

I have not had any bushing issues on my model 3s. However none of them were high miles. My friend has a Y and a 3 and he thinks the ride on the Y is way worse than the 3. These are both pre update models. I have read about people having bushing issues, but I have not experience it personally.

I did have a plaid model X loaner recently... and honestly... it drove like shit compared to my new 3. I'm not talking about handling or anything like that, obviously it's much larger and will be worse, but just the ride quality and overall feel of it. Even with it's air suspension my 3 felt way better. To be fair, it was a loaner and it had like 50k miles on it compared to my new model 3 with less than 8k miles. I also have the standard aero wheels on mine because I wanted the best ride possible.

As for regen you use to be able to turn it off and/or set how aggressive it was but they removed that option. I do believe you can still do it with 3rd party options like the S3XY buttons, but I have not messed with it, I'm use to the regen and I like it the way it is. It's a get from point a to point b as quickly and comfortably as possible with the least stress vehicle for me.

Thank you for telling me about the S3XY buttons, at first glance it looks very interesting for sure. How hard do you drive your car when there's no traffic? Her MYP barely lasts a day driving around Phoenix driving how I drive. It's kept at 80% charge before leaving but man does it dip when you rip around.

[dreamingat30fps]

Originally Posted by x622

Thank you for telling me about the S3XY buttons, at first glance it looks very interesting for sure. How hard do you drive your car when there's no traffic? Her MYP barely lasts a day driving around Phoenix driving how I drive. It's kept at 80% charge before leaving but man does it dip when you rip around.

Not that much I guess. After having them for years I don't feel the need to floor it all that much, only in normal driving to pass idiots and such. I charge mine to 100% because it's a lease and I just DGAF. My friend who owns all of his and has some with 80k+ miles also charges to 100%. It also depends on the battery chemistry you get. I think some of them actually prefer being charged to 100% but if I'm not mistaken it may be the lower cost, lower range models.

Anyways I get about 330 stated miles on a full charge. The furthest we typically go is like 100ish miles each way or about a 2 hour drive each way. No issues with my current model 3 doing that drive and still getting home with some range to spare. It's 90% highway doing anywhere from like 65-85 depending on traffic. I do have a 50amp 220v outlet at home to charge it so even if we had to do that drive 2 days in a row, which never really happens, it wouldn't be an issue as it will be back to a full charge overnight. My typical day to day normal driving it will last me a week or more, but we don't drive that much since we work from home and most of the places we go are nearby.

If you can't charge at home then forget it honestly. Not worth the hassle, at least for me, if I had to be going to superchargers all the time. One of my favorite things is never having to go fill it up. Often I'll just take the Tesla, even though I feel like driving the Lexus, just because I know the Lexus doesn't have enough gas for my trip and I don't feel like putting gas.