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      12-08-2021, 08:38 PM   #89
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I need help, lol. You are one of two people here that are so deluded you cant see more than one perspective, you literally can't back up 99% of the things you say with solid concrete evidence. It's always some opinionated source, or some YouTube video with selective bias on data or footage it presents.

Link please.

And next it doesn't say anything about 40% damage and how much pace drop...

Lewis lost 4 tenths per all because of his front wing damage, but no reports on how much max lost.
I'll sent you MAX's damaged diffuser ASAP ! With the efficiency loss !
Wait ...What's your address ? At least do you have one ?

And I never saw 'once a solid concrete evidence from your side ..Just BS talk .
As I said you sound like an elephant in a china shop !

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Lol.

But even if I wanted to pick a side to cheer for I couldn't, because I'm just not vested in this sport like mma for instance...
I'm the same with MMA... I've tried to watch but don't enjoy it...How do you pick a fighter?

Do you fight? Bet?

I couldn't enjoy F1 through technical analysis...I pick my team, driver and nemesis.
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I'll sent you MAX's damaged diffuser ASAP ! With the efficiency loss !
Wait ...What's your address ? At least do you have one ?

And I never saw 'once a solid concrete evidence from your side ..Just BS talk .
As I said you sound like an elephant in a china shop !

You said Mercedes had "jet speed" and were so much faster than everyone else. I posted the F1 speed trap tables completely debunking this. If that's not a good enough metric to get top speeds I don't know what is, but it beats watching the tv and "seeing" the top speeds with your eyes.


Next Rick accused Mercedes and the FIA of colluding to make the new rules benefit then for engine penalties. I cited the FIA sporting directives from 2017 and 2018 showing this was not a recent rule change. I also cited the source showing engine failures per team in 2017 before the new updated engine replacement grid penalty rules. This showed the Honda engine was the one that failed the most at nearly twice the rate of Mercedes. So if anything the rule changes were made to benefit Honda.


None of you guys provided any solid proof to back your statements up.
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What about these controversial scenarios instead of crashes ?

Keep in mind: drivers: equal points | constructor's: 28 points benefit for Mercedes.

Hamilton (P1) keeps pulling away from Verstappen (P2).
Championship title seems to slip away from Verstappen's hands.
Constructor's title seems lost too for Red Bull.
Some engineering trickery happening down at the Red Bull team.
Perez: "No power !"
Red Bull team radio: "Checo, switch off engine now. Sorry mate."
Perez parks his car on the circuit. DNF. Dangerous situation on track.
Yellow flags - Virtual Safety Car.
Verstappen catches up with Hamilton. Race between those two is on again.
Interview with Perez: "Engine lost power. I could not box anymore."

Verstappen (P1) keeps pulling away from Hamilton (P2).
Championship title seems to slip away from Hamilton's hands.
Low risk for Mercedes to lose the Constructor's title.
Some engineering trickery happening down at the Mercedes team.
Bottas: "No power !"
Mercedes team radio: "Valtteri, switch off engine now. Sorry mate."
Bottas parks his car on the circuit. DNF. Dangerous situation on track.
Yellow flags - Virtual Safety Car.
Hamilton catches up with Verstappen. Race between those two is on again.
Interview with Bottas: "Engine lost power. I could not box anymore."
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I'm the same with MMA... I've tried watch but don't enjoy it...How do you pick a fighter?

Do you fight? Bet?

I couldn't enjoy F1 through technical analysis...I pick my team, driver and nemesis.
I guess you got a few options:

1) pick a fighter with a back story that compels you, for example Francis Ngannou, grew up in poverty in Cameroon working the sand mines as a child, and then tried to escape to France through the desert and got caught multiple times each time facing the risk of being killed. When he escaped to France he was homless on the streets and then one day a boxing gym next to the local soup kitchen let him in to train for free and they saw he had god like power in his punches (he holds the record for the hardest punch out of any human of all time - well that was measured I suppose). Then he got an oppotunity to go the the UFC and the rest is history.

2) Pick a fighter with characteristics you like, for example: Max holloway and robert whittaker, both humble and chills guys and really nice people in general. But their fighting style is incredible with Max putting immense pressure that breaks people down, or Rob just putting incredible combos and devestating head kicks.

3) Pick just an insane unbelieveable character to ride the bandwagon train on, like Khamzat Chimaev, fought like 4 times in the UFC has been hit 2 times cleanly. Like HOLY CRAP how does that even happen? This guy is unbeliabely special. His back story is really good too.

4) Pick a fighter who has the style you like: Izzy for unbelieveable damn near comic book animated movie fighting style, like it is unreal his striking is next level with faints and precision. Or pick an unbelievable ground game specialist like Khabib, or Damien Maia. Or pick a well rounded fighter like Georges St Pierre and see the mastery of his stand up striking system where every strike's base is designed to look the same so it is hard to read, to reactive double leg take downs. Valentina is also incredible to watch, her style is just so silky smooth, everything is lightning fast and precise just wow.


Nope I did not compete for fear of brain damage, trained a bit and might go back to rolling when Covid calms down. Might even head to a boxing gym for the sweet science, but again I want to avoid head trauma and your hands and fingers get effed up hitting the heavy bag over and over again.


I do not bet either - if I did I probably would be broke because it is so hard to call fights. If I did bet it would be on Valentina and Nunes because they are so dominant (probably never on a male fighter because no one is as dominant as these two except maybe jones), but since these two are such huge favorites youd probably be making pennies unless you bet into the tens of thousands of dollars range.
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What about these controversial scenarios instead of crashes ?

Keep in mind: drivers: equal points | constructor's: 28 points benefit for Mercedes.

Hamilton (P1) keeps pulling away from Verstappen (P2).
Championship title seems to slip away from Verstappen's hands.
Constructor's title seems lost too for Red Bull.
Some engineering trickery happening down at the Red Bull team.
Perez: "No power !"
Red Bull team radio: "Checo, switch off engine now".
Perez parks his car on the circuit. DNF.
Yellow flags - Virtual Safety Car.
Verstappen catches up with Hamilton. Race between those two is on again.
Interview with Perez: "Engine lost power. I could not box anymore."

Verstappen (P1) keeps pulling away from Hamilton (P2).
Championship title seems to slip away from Hamilton's hands.
Low risk for Mercedes to lose the Constructor's title.
Some engineering trickery happening down at the Mercedes team.
Bottas: "No power !"
Mercedes team radio: "Valtteri, switch off engine now."
Bottas parks his car on the circuit. DNF.
Yellow flags - Virtual Safety Car.
Hamilton catches up with Verstappen. Race between those two is on again.
Interview with Bottas: "Engine lost power. I could not box anymore."
lol that would be crazy if both bottas and perez had engine failures.

But the only real way for mercedes to lose the construtors is if both mercedes finsihed outside of the points, or really low down in the standings.

But overall there is probably no way it will be crazier than saudi arabia, that race had me on the edge of my seat rewatching it.
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I expected you to cover both sides as you self identify as an impartial observer. What will the Ham fans say if Max wins?
No matter who wins, Iíll move on with my life a couple of minutes afterward and check in here for the fun. Then look forward to the next drive to survive season and first race.

Iím just not that vested in sports. I still have friends that get legit depressed for a couple of days when the Vikings lose or inevitably donít make the playoffs/get eliminated early if they do. I honestly donít get how an adult can get that wrapped up in sports/racing etc to where it bothers them days or more after itís over. Guess Iím old and boring.
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lol that would be crazy if both bottas and perez had engine failures.
But the only real way for mercedes to lose the construtors is if both mercedes finsihed outside of the points, or really low down in the standings.
But overall there is probably no way it will be crazier than saudi arabia, that race had me on the edge of my seat rewatching it.
No, not both Bottas and Perez DNF, but one of them being 'sacrificed' if the team mate risks to lose the world title. Taking one for the team.

Teams can remotely tinker with lots of engine settings. Sometimes you hear drivers asking for more power or complaining about some malfunctioning.

So an engine failure can be simulated by changing maximum settings to minimum settings. Of course it would be very unfair to pull the plug to provoke a Virtual Safety Car. But it's technically possible (just like a BMW going into limp mode: it's electronics). And, though morally reprehensive (abuse: sabotage the race to get an advantage), it's not as reckless as deliberately torpedoing a competitor (dive bombing with an unfortunate outcome: crash) or going kamikaze into a wall (remember Piquet jr. "Crashgate" of 2008 to give Alonso an advantage: see here). If foul play is involved and discovered, sanctions can be susbtantial for all those involved.
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Teams can remotely tinker with lots of engine settings. Sometimes you hear drivers asking for more power or complaining about some malfunctioning.

So an engine failure can be simulated by changing max settings to min settings. Of course it would be very unfair to pull the plug to provoke a Virtual Safety Car. But it's technically possible. And not as dramatic and reckless as deliberately torpedoing a competitor or going kamikaze into a wall (remember Piquet jr. "Crashgate" of 2008 to give Alonso an advantage: see here).
Not anymore, no more engine mode changes to increase or decrease power levels after last year to combat mercedes and their party mode. So whatever engine setting you set in quali is what you get during the race, you can change to different strats and fuel ratios but peak power output is fixed now. Error correction is allowed to disable failing sensors via fault modes.

Also no engine manipulations are allowed by engineers, any changes to the car must be done via the driver through the steering wheel inputs. This is stipulated in the rules to prevent engineers from essentially driving the car. That's why hamilton failed the restart where he left brake magic on, because the engineers are not allowed to manually disable it and at certain points iirc a restart engineer advice to the drivers is not permitted as well so Bono couldn't remind lewis to turn off brake magic.
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More track info and unexpected news

Not sure this thread is about F1 anymore, so my contribution to bring it back to center.

Circuit change highlights.

The new Abu Dhabi layout still maintains the characteristics of a 'rear limited' track but to a lesser extent. Slight advantage to RBR.

Average qualifying speed is expected to increase between 15 km/h and 20 km/h compared to 210 km/h of the 2020 pole.

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A surprise awaits the teams and Pirelli in Abu Dhabi. Following the renovations at Yas Marina, Losail-like kerbs were used. As Pirelli was not warned about this, there is a new uncertainty about the weekend.

Imagine if the punctures we saw in Qatar happens in Abu Dhabi to Max or Hammy.

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F1 will miss this guy, the straight talking Fin.
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I know I will. I've always loved watching Kimi race.
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Curbs

Punctures, would you bet on one stop with this cheese grader.

A surprise awaits the teams and Pirelli in Abu Dhabi. Following the renovations at Yas Marina, Losail-like kerbs were used. As Pirelli was not warned about this, there is a new uncertainty about the weekend.
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Punctures, would you bet on one stop with this cheese grader.

A surprise awaits the teams and Pirelli in Abu Dhabi. Following the renovations at Yas Marina, Losail-like kerbs were used. As Pirelli was not warned about this, there is a new uncertainty about the weekend.
Why do tracks make these kind of curbs like man that looks like it will eat up the tires and break front wings. Same thing with sausage curbs.
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I'm an uber Hamilton fan and have been since he was in GP2, but I'm also realistic and don't think heís a saint that walks on water. I also follow other drivers and teams as well as I love the sport as a whole. I had a lot of admiration for Max and his talent, but his lack of respect for others has caused me to lose nearly all respect for him as a driver. That goes double for Horner, Marko, and Red Bull. They act like children; everything is always someone else's fault, or someone is cheating. They are the worst type of losers and the worst type of winners. If they win so, be it, congratulations to them and letís do it again in March.
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No matter who wins, Iíll move on with my life a couple of minutes afterward and check in here for the fun. Then look forward to the next drive to survive season and first race.

Iím just not that vested in sports. I still have friends that get legit depressed for a couple of days when the Vikings lose or inevitably donít make the playoffs/get eliminated early if they do. I honestly donít get how an adult can get that wrapped up in sports/racing etc to where it bothers them days or more after itís over. Guess Iím old and boring.
Agree and same here!
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Why do tracks make these kind of curbs like man that looks like it will eat up the tires and break front wings. Same thing with sausage curbs.
Better than a wall I suppose.
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Better than a wall I suppose.
Yeah for sure...

a gravel trap is the best imo.
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Why do tracks make these kind of curbs like man that looks like it will eat up the tires and break front wings. Same thing with sausage curbs.
Actually, it's an appropriate way to remind drivers to use the track. I don't mind more grass and gravel pits next to the track limits. Less controversial discussions about track limits violations and gaining an advantage off-track.
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Actually, it's an appropriate way to remind drivers to use the track. I don't mind more grass and gravel pits next to the track limits. Less controversial discussions about track limits violations and gaining an advantage off-track.
Yes, but I prefer a car to be beach in gravel rather than have its tires blow up and spin off out of control or have its wing broken off. Because technically you can ride the curb as long as all wheel don't pass the line.

So my preference is a smooth or mild curb followed with a gravel trap next to it with a bit of a gap so you can slightly ride the curb - but can't exceed it with all 4 wheels or you will enter the gravel trap.
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I think they did away with grit boxes because of the spending limit teams have been imposed.
If cars are braking because they exceeded track limits, that would make costs rise.
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You said Mercedes had "jet speed" and were so much faster than everyone else. I posted the F1 speed trap tables completely debunking this. If that's not a good enough metric to get top speeds I don't know what is, but it beats watching the tv and "seeing" the top speeds with your eyes.


Next Rick accused Mercedes and the FIA of colluding to make the new rules benefit then for engine penalties. I cited the FIA sporting directives from 2017 and 2018 showing this was not a recent rule change. I also cited the source showing engine failures per team in 2017 before the new updated engine replacement grid penalty rules. This showed the Honda engine was the one that failed the most at nearly twice the rate of Mercedes. So if anything the rule changes were made to benefit Honda.


None of you guys provided any solid proof to back your statements up.
You need to get more sleep mate lol
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