[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

If it did go to Africa then a 300k mile Merc diesel PU would go in it should Musk switch it off, so your not that safe.

Musk is actually a junkie => https://www.wsj.com/business/elon-mu...drugs-e826a9e1

[gblansten]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

If it did go to Africa then a 300k mile Merc diesel PU would go in it should Musk switch it off, so your not that safe.

Nothing but smiles on face until Musk turns off my car. I’m driving a Dodge Charger right now and miss my Tesla.

[lakefront]

Originally Posted by gblansten

Nothing but smiles on face until Musk turns off my car. I’m driving a Dodge Charger right now and miss my Tesla.

If I was driving a Dodge Charger I'd miss almost any other car.....

[Car-Addicted]

Sales of electric vehicles (EVs) are defying the combined urging of green lobbyists and government diktat with just a quarter making up new purchases for 2023, UK data reveals.
Plus, according to the latest industry data from the Society of Motor Manufacturers and Traders, just one in four new battery cars have been purchased by private buyers.
https://www.breitbart.com/europe/202...new-purchases/

OK if only 25% of EV's are being purchased by private buyers, who the heck is buying the other 75%? Gobernment, ie Tax Payers? Rental firms?

US government agencies target purchasing 9,500 EVs in 2023
WASHINGTON, July 19 (Reuters) - U.S. government agencies are targeting buying 9,500 electric vehicles in the 2023 budget year, but face supply issues and higher costs, a federal report said on Wednesday.
That's almost three times the number acquired in the prior budget year.
The Government Accountability Office said 26 agencies with approved EV acquisition plans estimated they would need over $470 million for vehicle purchases and almost $300 million in estimated costs to design and install the necessary infrastructure and for other expenses. The vehicles purchase would cost almost $200 million more than the lowest-priced comparable gasoline-powered vehicles. The agencies represent more than 99% of the federal vehicle fleet excluding the U.S. Postal Service (USPS), which is an independent federal entity.
https://www.reuters.com/business/aut...23-2023-07-19/

We are really taking it in the haunches.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by gblansten

Nothing but smiles on face until Musk turns off my car. I’m driving a Dodge Charger right now and miss my Tesla.

Now your talking

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

Musk is actually a junkie => https://www.wsj.com/business/elon-mu...drugs-e826a9e1

i always thought he was one.

[Car-Addicted]

Originally Posted by gblansten

Nothing but smiles on face until Musk turns off my car.

Not to worry, the deep state is coming for Musk before the election.
Elon Musk Has Used Illegal Drugs, Worrying Leaders at Tesla and SpaceX
Some executives and board members fear the billionaire’s use of drugs—including LSD, cocaine, ecstasy, mushrooms and ketamine—could harm his companies
Elon Musk and his supporters offer several explanations for his contrarian views, unfiltered speech and provocative antics. They’re an expression of his creativity.
https://www.wsj.com/business/elon-mu...drugs-e826a9e1

If they can take your property (IRS Asset Seizure), They can keep you off a primary ballot, They can sure remove you from leadership and ownership of your company.

[dwwStL]

Originally Posted by Germanauto

One of my bosses has a Tesla and he's pretty fed up by the lack of infrastructure. He has to drive a lot spontaneously so dependency on home charging doesn't always work. Tesla chargers often have lines and can add hours to his trips. He's often late and has to call into conferences while sitting in his car at a charging station.

I do think EVs suit the needs of your avg consumer really well. But for people who cannot depend on charging at home it can be very difficult and add a lot of anxiety. An EV can work for you 95% of the time, but that 5% of the time it doesn't can completely ruin your day.

Your bosses issues were completely predictable, so that is really on him. And honestly, if you buy a Tesla, you get what your deserve.

EVs are not for everyone, but do work well for many. I now have a PHEV which suits me well. I think spouse will be getting an EV next year.

If the sold state batteries live up to the hype, it's going to transform how we think of cars and ICE powered cars will become few and far between, but transformation is at least a decade away.

[Car-Addicted]

Seems it's time to post this again for those who think fossil fuels are unnecessary.


The refining of a barrel of crude oil has somewhat fixed derivative products. If you want planes to fly than you will need to have a percentage of gasoline. If you want roads to drive your EV's on you will have a percentage of gasoline.
https://www.breakthroughfuel.com/blog/crude-oil-barrel/

[gilberjj]

I get the feeling that some of you wake up and your first thought is, “what can I do today to take down EV’s?”
Haha, what a bunch of downers!
EVs are the future. They don’t do EVERYTHING that a gasser does, but let’s be real. Most families have 2-3 vehicles. I’ve had an EV since 2016 and it’s saved me boatloads of cash in fuel and maintenance savings…. Not to mention the superior performance, never visiting a fuel station… the choice is obvious for me.

[gblansten]

Originally Posted by lakefront

If I was driving a Dodge Charger I'd miss almost any other car.....

Oh hell yes.

[dwwStL]

Musk on drugs certainly explains the erratic behavior.

[Car-Addicted]

Originally Posted by gilberjj

I get the feeling that some of you wake up and your first thought is, “what can I do today to take down EV’s?”
Haha, what a bunch of downers!

I get the feeling that some Greenies, Grifters, Global elites and Gov idiots wake up and their first thought's are, “what can we do today to take down fossil fuel's and ICE vehicles” ?
Haha, what a bunch of fascists.

[Car-Addicted]

Originally Posted by dwwStL

Musk on drugs certainly explains the erratic behavior.

I think telling your advertisers who are attempting to black mail you to "F" off" is inspirational and as sane as it gets.

[dwwStL]

Originally Posted by gilberjj

I get the feeling that some of you wake up and your first thought is, “what can I do today to take down EV’s?”
Haha, what a bunch of downers!
EVs are the future....

I enjoy those post. EVs are the future. IF the solid state battery, sodium batteries and other next gen batteries live up to the hype (500+ mile ranges and charging times of 30 minutes or less) it's hard to imagine the ICE surviving in consumer vehicles. My guess is that the 2030s will see the end of ICE powered consumer vehicles.

We'll see.

[KRS_SN]

Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

Sales of electric vehicles (EVs) are defying the combined urging of green lobbyists and government diktat with just a quarter making up new purchases for 2023, UK data reveals.
Plus, according to the latest industry data from the Society of Motor Manufacturers and Traders, just one in four new battery cars have been purchased by private buyers.
https://www.breitbart.com/europe/202...new-purchases/

OK if only 25% of EV's are being purchased by private buyers, who the heck is buying the other 75%? Gobernment, ie Tax Payers? Rental firms?

I'll answer ...
UK government gives 100%tax write off as capital when anyone buys an EV for business use.
So if you are a business owner or fleet owner and buy an EV for 100k and your tax liability for the year is 100k then you pay ZERO tax.
Zero tax relief if you buy EV as a private buyer.
How's that for saving the planet or tax the poor and middle class and stuff the pockets of the rich and upper middle class.

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by dwwStL

I enjoy those post. EVs are the future. IF the solid state battery, sodium batteries and other next gen batteries live up to the hype (500+ mile ranges and charging times of 30 minutes or less) it's hard to imagine the ICE surviving in consumer vehicles. My guess is that the 2030s will see the end of ICE powered consumer vehicles.

We'll see.

Why are EV the future? Numerous people state this but never follow up with explicit reasons the statement is true.

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

Seems it's time to post this again for those who think fossil fuels are unnecessary.


The refining of a barrel of crude oil has somewhat fixed derivative products. If you want planes to fly than you will need to have a percentage of gasoline. If you want roads to drive your EV's on you will have a percentage of gasoline.
https://www.breakthroughfuel.com/blog/crude-oil-barrel/

Because all those container ships and jet airliners will be EV. It's just a solid state battery away.

[Car-Addicted]

Originally Posted by dwwStL

I enjoy those post. EVs are the future. IF the solid state battery, sodium batteries and other next gen batteries live up to the hype (500+ mile ranges and charging times of 30 minutes or less) it's hard to imagine the ICE surviving in consumer vehicles.

First the major point for me and many many others is being forced directly or indirectly to adopt the EV. If others want to buy EV's and they pay their fair share (No rebates from tax payers) and an appropriate payment of highway taxes, then I say great. I do think the environmental damage of manufacturing and shipping LiPo batteries is a major embarrassment that should be considered but then again fossil fuel users should own the Deepwater Horizon oil spill and other spills.
I share your hope for future battery technology but you need to consider one factor. If I run out of fuel I can hitch a ride to a gas station and pick up a gallon of Fuel. Can a EV owner go pick up a can of electricity? This leaves us with Hybrids and current technology on these (with a couple exceptions) are worthless. They are nothing more that EV with a ICE back up. Real Hybrid technology needs to be a down sized ICE with a battery enhancement. More like WEC and Formula One and less like BMW's X5 xDrive50e.

Originally Posted by dwwStL

My guess is that the 2030s will see the end of ICE powered consumer vehicles. We'll see.

Never going to happen, a million reasons this is an impossibility have been posted here over the last several years. This is as close to a second amendment issue as you can get.

[Car-Addicted]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

Because all those container ships and jet airliners will be EV. It's just a solid state battery away.

I think you're not nearly sarcastic enough, remember most of these folks think Lithium, Cobalt, Copper mining and processing is saving the planet.

[dwwStL]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

Why are EV the future? Numerous people state this but never follow up with explicit reasons the statement is true.

Didn't I just do that? Have you driven an EV? The only thing holding them back is the battery tech. IF that is conquered, as it appears to be in the next few years, EVs are superior in every way. With 500+ mile range and quick charging, an ICE powered vehicle is primitive by comparison.

[Car-Addicted]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

Why are EV the future? Numerous people state this but never follow up with explicit reasons the statement is true.

Originally Posted by dwwStL

Didn't I just do that? Have you driven an EV? The only thing holding them back is the battery tech.