|
|
|
2010 2011 BMW 5 Series Forum F10 Autocar slags F10 ride without VDC |
|
Post Reply |
|
Thread Tools | Search this Thread |
04-18-2010, 10:06 PM | #89 | |
Private First Class
1
Rep 109
Posts |
Quote:
In the "Sport" mode, generally, the transmission will try to hold on to lower gear for a particular speed and change up at a higher engine speed. The converse is true for the "Normal" mode. So, it is inevitable that the fuel consumption would be worse in "Sport" mode. In any case, you have the option to be green or to drive with a grin on your face. |
|
Appreciate
0
|
04-19-2010, 02:13 AM | #90 |
General
41
Rep 683
Posts |
True but the car with 19" has some extra chassis option/s (we think option 2VA?)
__________________
2010 E90 335i M-Sport, 2005 E90 325i M-Sport, 2003 E60 520i, 2002 E46 330i Sport II, 2000 E46 325i Sport I, 1999 E46 318i, 1998 E46 323i SE, 1996 E36 323i SE, 1996 E34 518i, 1995 E36 320iA, 1994 E36 316i
|
Appreciate
0
|
04-19-2010, 03:20 AM | #91 | |
Private First Class
1
Rep 109
Posts |
Quote:
|
|
Appreciate
0
|
04-19-2010, 04:09 AM | #92 | |
Lieutenant General
6659
Rep 15,858
Posts |
Quote:
HighlandPete |
|
Appreciate
0
|
04-19-2010, 04:16 AM | #93 | |
Lieutenant General
6659
Rep 15,858
Posts |
Quote:
So logically, even cruising you'll use more fuel, as well as through the gears. So we get even more complicated, if you want the slightly tauter feel of the steering, etc, but are just cruising. There will be a compromise... unless the car can be configured slightly different. Back to that I-Drive menu. HighlandPete |
|
Appreciate
0
|
04-19-2010, 04:38 AM | #94 | |
Captain
194
Rep 850
Posts |
Quote:
HighlandPete, I believe you will, but can you pls check whether the i-drive on the 535i only shows the chassis picture on the screen (without any ability to configure it), or whether it can configure tightening it (when it may not have the VDC?); and whether it has VDC, and if so, why not the comfort mode? if not, why the suspension appeared different? Thanks ps I have asked my SE to check on the display 535i which has only sport/normal on the toggle button but the i-drive can access the chassis. Last edited by bm323; 04-19-2010 at 10:08 AM.. |
|
Appreciate
0
|
04-19-2010, 10:31 AM | #95 |
Private First Class
1
Rep 109
Posts |
Just read the What Car comparison of the F10 vs Jaguar XF vs Mercedes E-class. The F10 was a 530d on standard suspension with 19" wheels (and not the 18" version in the Autocar test). On the ride and handling section, they had this to say:
"...but its body tends to lurch left and right as you go from corner to corner. Things are little better on the motorway, where undulations cause it to bob and float like a ship in a storm." Seems like the standard suspension is suspect then? For those who have tried the E60 on the sport suspension but with smaller sized or non-RFT wheels, would an F10 on M-sport suspension with 17" wheels alleviate the body roll/lack of body control issue yet retain a modicum of comfort? All hypothetical, of course, since no one has really tried the M-sport suspension here. However, on another forum, an owner who has just taken delivery has commented that the F10 with the M-sport suspension on 18" wheels is more comfortable than the E60 sport suspension. |
Appreciate
0
|
04-19-2010, 10:42 AM | #96 | |
General
41
Rep 683
Posts |
Quote:
Yes, I had an E60 with sport suspension and non-RFT 16" wheels and it was fine (yes it did roll a lttle but it did not bob/float at all)
__________________
2010 E90 335i M-Sport, 2005 E90 325i M-Sport, 2003 E60 520i, 2002 E46 330i Sport II, 2000 E46 325i Sport I, 1999 E46 318i, 1998 E46 323i SE, 1996 E36 323i SE, 1996 E34 518i, 1995 E36 320iA, 1994 E36 316i
|
|
Appreciate
0
|
04-19-2010, 10:43 AM | #97 |
General
41
Rep 683
Posts |
Please post link to this?
__________________
2010 E90 335i M-Sport, 2005 E90 325i M-Sport, 2003 E60 520i, 2002 E46 330i Sport II, 2000 E46 325i Sport I, 1999 E46 318i, 1998 E46 323i SE, 1996 E36 323i SE, 1996 E34 518i, 1995 E36 320iA, 1994 E36 316i
|
Appreciate
0
|
04-19-2010, 10:44 AM | #98 |
General
41
Rep 683
Posts |
Please post once your car has arrived.
__________________
2010 E90 335i M-Sport, 2005 E90 325i M-Sport, 2003 E60 520i, 2002 E46 330i Sport II, 2000 E46 325i Sport I, 1999 E46 318i, 1998 E46 323i SE, 1996 E36 323i SE, 1996 E34 518i, 1995 E36 320iA, 1994 E36 316i
|
Appreciate
0
|
04-19-2010, 10:47 AM | #99 |
General
41
Rep 683
Posts |
Get them to look up the fitted options codes please?
__________________
2010 E90 335i M-Sport, 2005 E90 325i M-Sport, 2003 E60 520i, 2002 E46 330i Sport II, 2000 E46 325i Sport I, 1999 E46 318i, 1998 E46 323i SE, 1996 E36 323i SE, 1996 E34 518i, 1995 E36 320iA, 1994 E36 316i
|
Appreciate
0
|
04-19-2010, 10:49 AM | #100 | |
General
41
Rep 683
Posts |
Quote:
__________________
2010 E90 335i M-Sport, 2005 E90 325i M-Sport, 2003 E60 520i, 2002 E46 330i Sport II, 2000 E46 325i Sport I, 1999 E46 318i, 1998 E46 323i SE, 1996 E36 323i SE, 1996 E34 518i, 1995 E36 320iA, 1994 E36 316i
|
|
Appreciate
0
|
04-19-2010, 11:11 AM | #101 |
Private First Class
1
Rep 109
Posts |
Its here: http://forums.5series.net/topic/9728...35ia-pictures/ Owner mentions that he has had 3 E60s with the M-Sport suspension.
Also, LSs1Power here has tested the 523with the standard suspension ( http://f10.5post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=375887 ) and found it to be soft with noticeable body roll. However, this was on a race track so may not reflect normal road usage. |
Appreciate
0
|
04-19-2010, 01:20 PM | #102 | |
Private
4
Rep 88
Posts |
Quote:
I had a 3 series (2002 model) which handled better than mine 325i (2006) and current E61 (2007). "BMW has taken the brave step of risking the wrath of corner-mongers by eschewing firm sportiness in favour of cosseting compliance this time around. But how many people really care about on-the-limit feel in a diesel executive saloon? It's you, the regional manager; you on the motorway; you with hundreds of miles a week to do; you with two kids to transport at the weekend; you who doesn't care about limited-slip differentials on a wet Tuesday morning. You'll be living with the Five every day BMW has set the car up for you. The Five is no longer a grown up 3 Series; it's a grown down Seven. It rides beautifully, with a suppleness that takes most road nuances and hides them from you. It deals with tarmac like Jack Charlton circa 1966 dealt with his alopecia: brushes over it. Of course, that's to the detriment of outright cornering feel; there's obvious weight transfer during acceleration, braking and cornering. There's still a very talented, balanced car here, it's just one that you must dig a little deeper to find and enjoy. We discovered that over a 1,200-mile Southern France to Northern England odyssey. Not once during those two days did the Five ever get uncomfortable. Our car sat on standard springs with a standard steering " I hated the handling of the E61 on RFT (17-inch). Replaced them with nRFT 17 Michelin, but it is still so-so ...
__________________
The natural state isn't preferable ...
Last edited by Erasmus; 04-19-2010 at 01:40 PM.. |
|
Appreciate
0
|
04-19-2010, 01:37 PM | #103 | |
General
41
Rep 683
Posts |
Quote:
Thank you for contacting BMW Customer Information. I am sorry to read that you are unhappy with the information that is provided on our website. For information on the technologies within our vehicles I would recommend visiting our technology guide on the link provided below. http://www.bmw.com/com/en/insights/t...ide/start.html Alternatively you may wish to contact our local BMW Dealership who will also be in the position to provide you with detailed information. Your nearest BMW Dealership can be found by using the dealer locator facility on our website. I have included a link to this facility for your convenience: http://www.bmw.co.uk/bmwuk/dealerlocator/0,,___,00.html Please do not hesitate to contact me if you have any further queries.
__________________
2010 E90 335i M-Sport, 2005 E90 325i M-Sport, 2003 E60 520i, 2002 E46 330i Sport II, 2000 E46 325i Sport I, 1999 E46 318i, 1998 E46 323i SE, 1996 E36 323i SE, 1996 E34 518i, 1995 E36 320iA, 1994 E36 316i
Last edited by carl_d; 04-19-2010 at 02:06 PM.. |
|
Appreciate
0
|
04-19-2010, 01:50 PM | #104 | |
General
41
Rep 683
Posts |
Quote:
Adaptive Drive. On every curve, on every road surface: Adaptive Drive counteracts the forces that cause body roll. Your BMW handles with outstanding sporting agility, while also ensuring a very comfortable journey for you and your passengers. Body roll is practically eliminated, and winding roads can be enjoyed with a maximum of stability and safety. The proven effectiveness of BMW's innovative chassis control systems, Dynamic Drive and Variable Damper Control (VDC) work closely together to deliver an outstandingly smooth ride and enhanced agility. Sensors in your BMW permanently monitor vehicle speed, steering-wheel position and the pitch and yaw forces acting on the chassis. Using this data, the system precisely adjusts the stabilisers and the dampers, changing their settings quickly and accurately. This coordinated interaction of dampers and stabilisers counteracts the forces that cause the body to roll or sway. Your BMW hugs the road, delivers neutral self-steering behaviour, outstanding agility and shorter braking distances. Furthermore, Adaptive Drive adjusts the suspension settings to suit the character of the road surface. Each axle has its own independent motor that can adjust the dampers on each individual wheel. When the road surface under one side of the vehicle differs in character from that on the other side - such as when driving on roads with gravel shoulders - Adaptive Drive instantly adjusts the suspension settings of the wheels on one side to practically eliminate any perceptible unevenness in the road. In addition, you can choose between a more comfortable default setting for the suspension, or a more sporting setting. Such high-speed calculations and responses demand a high-performance electronics system. Adaptive Drive utilises FlexRay, a high-speed data transfer system that networks sensors, control units and stabilisers.
__________________
2010 E90 335i M-Sport, 2005 E90 325i M-Sport, 2003 E60 520i, 2002 E46 330i Sport II, 2000 E46 325i Sport I, 1999 E46 318i, 1998 E46 323i SE, 1996 E36 323i SE, 1996 E34 518i, 1995 E36 320iA, 1994 E36 316i
Last edited by carl_d; 04-19-2010 at 02:01 PM.. |
|
Appreciate
0
|
04-19-2010, 01:51 PM | #105 | |
Lieutenant General
6659
Rep 15,858
Posts |
Quote:
I also agree the standard E60 suspension, (like E90 standard suspension), is a mess, once you get to know it. I'd rate the F10 standard suspension better than the standard E60/1, but that won't be hard to beat. And I still say the F10 is flawed in standard form on 18" wheels. I'm not on about suppleness and cornering, but the way the road comes back via the body and steering. I don't want weird steering feedback and vibration in the wheel, or front wheels fighting for the line over poor surfaces. I'd imagine the F10 M-sport suspension will be better than E60 M-sport suspension, I don't question that at all. But is it as good as the Adaptive Drive package? That could well be another issue. HighlandPete |
|
Appreciate
0
|
04-19-2010, 02:08 PM | #106 | |
Lieutenant General
6659
Rep 15,858
Posts |
A better link is:
http://www.bmw.co.uk/specials/5serie...g_control.html Quote:
HighlandPete |
|
Appreciate
0
|
04-19-2010, 02:11 PM | #107 | |
General
41
Rep 683
Posts |
Quote:
__________________
2010 E90 335i M-Sport, 2005 E90 325i M-Sport, 2003 E60 520i, 2002 E46 330i Sport II, 2000 E46 325i Sport I, 1999 E46 318i, 1998 E46 323i SE, 1996 E36 323i SE, 1996 E34 518i, 1995 E36 320iA, 1994 E36 316i
|
|
Appreciate
0
|
04-19-2010, 02:13 PM | #108 | |
General
41
Rep 683
Posts |
Quote:
__________________
2010 E90 335i M-Sport, 2005 E90 325i M-Sport, 2003 E60 520i, 2002 E46 330i Sport II, 2000 E46 325i Sport I, 1999 E46 318i, 1998 E46 323i SE, 1996 E36 323i SE, 1996 E34 518i, 1995 E36 320iA, 1994 E36 316i
|
|
Appreciate
0
|
04-19-2010, 03:32 PM | #109 |
S0THPAW
8733
Rep 7,847
Posts |
|
Appreciate
0
|
04-19-2010, 09:22 PM | #110 | |
Captain
194
Rep 850
Posts |
Quote:
dynamic drive under active chassis http://www.bmw.com/com/en/insights/t...=dynamic_drive electronic damper control http://www.bmw.com/com/en/insights/t...damper_control active steering http://www.bmw.com/com/en/insights/t...ctive_steering also HiFi Professional LOGIC7 System http://www.bmw.com/com/en/insights/t...ssional_logic7 Last edited by bm323; 04-19-2010 at 09:40 PM.. |
|
Appreciate
0
|
Post Reply |
Bookmarks |
|
|