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      11-24-2016, 06:06 AM   #23
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No wonder my dealer couldnt find anything wrong if every damn F10 is like this. By contrast F30's I've driven seem completely smooth at cruising speed on decent tarmac.
I personally don't believe "they all do it". Something is causing it, the same as some F10/11 models have a steering pull issue, they are not all like it.

It is not specifically a RFT issue either, I run RFTs on both my summer and winter sets, no vibration issues at all, at any speed.

Vibrations through a car in a particular speed range are normally associated with wheels, (rims or tyres) or other rotating drivetrain components. Even perfectly balanced wheels can mask tyre defects, so is essential to try other wheels to eliminate. Replacing tyres, whatever type, can of course solve the issue, you are rid of the problem tyre(s).
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      11-24-2016, 08:08 AM   #24
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Same issue here on my 2015 535d.

I managed to pretty much eliminate it by switching the run flats.
Can you try and explain in detail what it felt like and when it changed in feel etc?

No wonder my dealer couldnt find anything wrong if every damn F10 is like this. By contrast F30's I've driven seem completely smooth at cruising speed on decent tarmac.

My issue with switching the RFT's out is that the second you show up with a set of non BMW Star Marked tyres complaining of a drivetrain issue the excuse of 'non standard tyres' is right there. If I wasn't for that I'd have ebay'd the nearly new PZero's it came on and immediately fitted Eagle F1 Assymetric 3's as a matter of course. But as soon as you do that you are on your own with drivetrain smoothness issues.
I just got sick of them not being able to resolve the issue, so decided to change wheels first to 20's. once I did this and noticed the same problem, it was obviously not a wheel/tyre problem, but trying to get a dealer interested enough to go further up the drivetrain to check is nigh on impossible.

I basically accepted that switching out the run flats 'hides' the problem rather than resolves it. In 2yrs I'll get rid and move on.....
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      11-25-2016, 07:41 AM   #25
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If it were my car, I'd start by a simple measurement on the runout of each tyre. Might lead to a hub/bearing problem.
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      11-25-2016, 12:08 PM   #26
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If it were my car, I'd start by a simple measurement on the runout of each tyre. Might lead to a hub/bearing problem.
How does one do this?
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You need a dial gauge with a roller.

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      11-25-2016, 12:50 PM   #28
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A good wheel tyre place will do this - especially after you can eliminate the wheels and tyres. The vibration has to be coming from somewhere!
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      11-27-2016, 01:35 PM   #29
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Interest to hear everyone's experiences. My local BMW dealership originally suggested it was a different type of tyre on each wheel and that they were unevenly worn, but to be fair, doing it with any tyres and wheels means it's a load of the dogs proverbials... it does it with all wheels and tyres.

I think it's very hard to diagnose and therefore many owners, lots of us included, put up with it.

It's annoying as to me, with OCD, it takes the edge off what is a brilliant and highly capable car.
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      11-29-2016, 05:26 AM   #30
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Interest to hear everyone's experiences. My local BMW dealership originally suggested it was a different type of tyre on each wheel and that they were unevenly worn, but to be fair, doing it with any tyres and wheels means it's a load of the dogs proverbials... it does it with all wheels and tyres.

I think it's very hard to diagnose and therefore many owners, lots of us included, put up with it.

It's annoying as to me, with OCD, it takes the edge off what is a brilliant and highly capable car.
Sorry James but if it were me, it would go back to stealers till it was fixed end of.
Never had that on the three F10's I've had over the years, the 550i and LCI M5 and now this 535d M Sport all have been faultless TBH.
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      11-29-2016, 07:37 AM   #31
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Sorry James but if it were me, it would go back to stealers till it was fixed end of.
Never had that on the three F10's I've had over the years, the 550i and LCI M5 and now this 535d M Sport all have been faultless TBH.
Same here.

Personally I try and fault find myself, but customers shouldn't have to even try.

I try and eliminate the obvious, in this instance I'd ensure any vibration isn't road surface influenced. Get on decent surfaces and see if it goes away. If it is the same, it has to be 'driven' from the car itself. Is it in anyway coming through the steering, indicating it may be front wheels. Different gears at the vibration speed, a variance steers to possible gearbox or torque converter issues. Etc., etc.

I know the list can go on, but garages should have fault finding skills.
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Sorry James but if it were me, it would go back to stealers till it was fixed end of.
Except in reality it's never that simple - they can't find it first of all, they don't settle into a 200 mile drive where it really starts to grate and the more you go in without them finding anything the more like Walter Mitty you seem to come across and the more you doubt your own sanity
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      11-30-2016, 12:52 PM   #33
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It's a wonderful idea to get the dealer to fix it, but I live in the Netherlands and having the local monkeys try and fix it is not a good idea. They have less knowledge than a thick Neanderthal, and their solution would likely be to replace wheels to see if it works. It is naturally out of warranty.

I'd rather replace the car (bear in mind my car is 80k new here, gotta love the luxury tax..) than spend 5 grand replacing bits trying to fix it. It's simply not worth it for a bit of vibration. I too have had multiple 5 series and this one is the first to suffer it, in fact the first of many BMW's to suffer it. It's one of those things. But if anyone comes up with a miracle check that seems to fix most of them I'd be over the moon to hear of it!

Easiest fix though? Feck it and buy a G30... :-)
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Anybody find a fix?

Me too

F10 19" M351 wheels, brand new Pilot Sport 4, BMW, XL, ZP

Rear wobbles from 65 to 85

Broken shaft? Replace bushes? Control arm? Rear brakes?

Start point?

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      09-23-2021, 12:17 PM   #35
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Me too

F10 19" M351 wheels, brand new Pilot Sport 4, BMW, XL, ZP

Rear wobbles from 65 to 85

Broken shaft? Replace bushes? Control arm? Rear brakes?

Start point?

Thanks

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Did it recently start doing it ?
If so, then the first check has to be on what has been changed. Is that just the tyres, or the wheels and tyres ?
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      09-23-2021, 01:25 PM   #36
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Always since I bought used. Have just heard about wheel hub spigots.

Getting new rear discs and pads hopefully tomorrow so I’ve bought the spigots to fit while he has the wheels off

They line the wheels up properly with the hubs

53k by the way
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Always since I bought used. Have just heard about wheel hub spigots.

Getting new rear discs and pads hopefully tomorrow so I’ve bought the spigots to fit while he has the wheels off

They line the wheels up properly with the hubs

53k by the way
These are what I ordered...
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/224016000326
They arrived today so fingers crossed tomorrow
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Always since I bought used. Have just heard about wheel hub spigots.

Getting new rear discs and pads hopefully tomorrow so I’ve bought the spigots to fit while he has the wheels off

They line the wheels up properly with the hubs

53k by the way
These are what I ordered...
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/224016000326
They arrived today so fingers crossed tomorrow
I had the same issue. The brake pads and rotors MIGHT fix it for the time being but what fixed it for me was something in the differential I think. Not too sure but I think it was something to do with that.

I didn't even give it in for that, the guy saw and fixed it and told me about it. Haven't had that issue been a year.

I've seen so many posts about this, might be a common issue in F10s
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I had the same issue. The brake pads and rotors MIGHT fix it for the time being but what fixed it for me was something in the differential I think. Not too sure but I think it was something to do with that.

I didn't even give it in for that, the guy saw and fixed it and told me about it. Haven't had that issue been a year.

I've seen so many posts about this, might be a common issue in F10s
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The spigots didnt work for me. They fitted OK on the hubs but too big to fit inside the wheel core so my wheels are at least genuine.

I took the wheel off, cleaned the hub from all the muck and grease but no different.

I get the new brakes on Wednesday next week so fingers crossed, but I'm not hopeful.

I wish you could be more specific about the diff?

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I had the same issue. The brake pads and rotors MIGHT fix it for the time being but what fixed it for me was something in the differential I think. Not too sure but I think it was something to do with that.

I didn't even give it in for that, the guy saw and fixed it and told me about it. Haven't had that issue been a year.

I've seen so many posts about this, might be a common issue in F10s
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The spigots didnt work for me. They fitted OK on the hubs but too big to fit inside the wheel core so my wheels are at least genuine.

I took the wheel off, cleaned the hub from all the muck and grease but no different.

I get the new brakes on Wednesday next week so fingers crossed, but I'm not hopeful.

I wish you could be more specific about the diff?

Thanks

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I'm sorry for being so vague I'm still new to cars so don't know too much in detail.

The muck and grease is not the issue here for sure (my opinion).

I had this issue for a while, BMW was clueless about it, 5 different service Centers. I had two brakes and rotor changes in this time and that seemed to help temporarily but the issue always came back.

Like I said above don't know too much in detail I guess I could ask my guy but that could take a couple days ngl.
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Seen this a lot on the bmw f10/f11 page seems to be a lot of people replacing the main rear diff bush all been around 80-100k miles
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My wobble and brake judder returned after roughly 3k miles!!

Driving me mad.
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I’ve had the car up on a shaker this week which should show up any failing bushes at the front

Nothing found though

That main bush is gonna be a bitch
Exhaust off
Heat shield off
Prop shaft out
New doughnut while in there (guibo)

Beyond me so gonna be £1000 at main dealer I guess
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Brake judder isn’t the same thing though
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