David Shoup Tune

$howtime456 · 08-01-2020, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by bmw5sport

We have had several battles with this pump. It doesn't work correct on the BM3 platform. Some of the parameters are missing. And as you know, the lpfp is a weak link too. PepMo is gonna try the new pump out to see what all we are capable of. Fingers crossed.

agree with this as well. BM3 are missing alot of tables with the xdi. I eventually changed out to spool fx 150

Bmwdoubles_ · 08-08-2020, 05:55 AM

Ok after 50 million repairs back at it with D Shoup

https://datazap.me/u/bmwdoubles/123b...&data=3-14

It's making 420ish WHP that's almost 500 at the crank.

I think i can get under 500whp with some adjustments including a 3.5 tmap.

BimmerHausPerformance · 08-08-2020, 10:47 AM

Wow good news!

$howtime456 · 08-09-2020, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Bmwdoubles_

Ok after 50 million repairs back at it with D Shoup

https://datazap.me/u/bmwdoubles/123b...og=0&data=3-14

It's making 420ish WHP that's almost 500 at the crank.

I think i can get under 500whp with some adjustments including a 3.5 tmap.

I want to see your car fly to the moon!!!! lets do it.
Im on my 12th revision with shoup. 23psi according to David at worst being that im xdrive im 530hp wheel. 654 crank and 680 torque. 82% WGDC. We are currently making progress on 25psi but AIC2-V is acting up or not spraying so im going to order an older AIC6 and use that since it seems to be a little bit more n55 friendly

PepMo · 08-16-2020, 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Bmwdoubles_

Ok after 50 million repairs back at it with D Shoup

https://datazap.me/u/bmwdoubles/123b...og=0&data=3-14

It's making 420ish WHP that's almost 500 at the crank.

I think i can get under 500whp with some adjustments including a 3.5 tmap.

Why only 420whp? It has to be making more than that. Did you run it on a Dyno? You should be making at least 450-475whp

Bmwdoubles_ · 08-17-2020, 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by PepMo

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bmwdoubles_

Ok after 50 million repairs back at it with D Shoup

https://datazap.me/u/bmwdoubles/123b...&data=3-14

It's making 420ish WHP that's almost 500 at the crank.

I think i can get under 500whp with some adjustments including a 3.5 tmap.

Why only 420whp? It has to be making more than that. Did you run it on a Dyno? You should be making at least 450-475whp

It's not been on a dyno yet but yeah that's probably the real number.

PepMo · 08-18-2020, 02:02 AM

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Originally Posted by $howtime456

I want to see your car fly to the moon!!!! lets do it.
Im on my 12th revision with shoup. 23psi according to David at worst being that im xdrive im 530hp wheel. 654 crank and 680 torque. 82% WGDC. We are currently making progress on 25psi but AIC2-V is acting up or not spraying so im going to order an older AIC6 and use that since it seems to be a little bit more n55 friendly

It's $howtime! I want to see you make 600whp! What RPM are you hitting 25 psi on?

$howtime456 · 08-19-2020, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by PepMo

It's $howtime! I want to see you make 600whp! What RPM are you hitting 25 psi on?

5000rpm. We are still dialing in but so far so good.

BimmerHausPerformance · 08-19-2020, 08:09 PM

Is there a build thread on this? I want to see more pics!!?

PepMo · 08-20-2020, 03:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Bmwdoubles_

It's not been on a dyno yet but yeah that's probably the real number.

What fuel are you on? I just noticed that your rail pressure dropped quite a bit at 6200 RPM. Did you get any code for that?

BimmerHausPerformance · 08-20-2020, 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by bmw5sport

Ok, y'all are hogging David. Can I get back in the rotation? Lol

Ha, I was out eating at a Mexican restaurant the other day and this guy who has a 335 was telling me he's getting a tune, oh with who? David Shoup... seriously!? Guy is getting famous.

PepMo · 08-20-2020, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by BrowBMW

Ha, I was out eating at a Mexican restaurant the other day and this guy who has a 335 was telling me he's getting a tune, oh with who? David Shoup... seriously!? Guy is getting famous.

I've never heard of him until this post. I'm even thinking about joining the Shoup Troop myself if my tuner can't get my boost curve evened out. David must be the best PWG tuner as far as I know.

Bmwdoubles_ · 08-21-2020, 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by PepMo

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Originally Posted by Bmwdoubles_

It's not been on a dyno yet but yeah that's probably the real number.

What fuel are you on? I just noticed that your rail pressure dropped quite a bit at 6200 RPM. Did you get any code for that?

No code. If I want more fuel up there I'll need to remove the fuel filter and use the Spool Micron filter instead.

Bmwdoubles_ · 08-21-2020, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by PepMo

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Originally Posted by BrowBMW

Ha, I was out eating at a Mexican restaurant the other day and this guy who has a 335 was telling me he's getting a tune, oh with who? David Shoup... seriously!? Guy is getting famous.

I've never heard of him until this post. I'm even thinking about joining the Shoup Troop myself if my tuner can't get my boost curve evened out. David must be the best PWG tuner as far as I know.

I've had a GSR, Mission, MHD, and used JB4 and BMS backend flashes and can confirm Shoup is the best PWG tuner so far. In all fairness Mission is up there too, but I had different hardware at that time and he doesn't tune N55s anymore.

$howtime456 · 09-06-2020, 10:18 AM

bump!!!

beegeezy · 09-07-2020, 11:48 AM

Do you need MHD or BM3 for David to tune?

ey2001 · 09-07-2020, 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by beegeezy

Do you need MHD or BM3 for David to tune?

Mhd

BimmerHausPerformance · 07-09-2021, 11:02 AM

Bringing this thread back... I just had a great convo with DS and I wanted to share some cause I think this is gold for the community.

For those on the old style HPFP and PS2 that want that have mid 500 WHP goals (maxing the PS2) he recommended doing a CAN Flex Fuel analyzer with MHD and a snow stage 2.5 or 3 Meth injection. He said on that set up would max out the PS2. So hear what I'm saying here cause this is NEWS TO ME: no HPFP OR LPFP upgrades required. Our cars are E85 ready to go. (he did recommend doing a LPFP upgrade and to do THAT right means an EOS EKP module which is more money, but it's not required)

The key here is the meth, it actually raises the fuel rail pressure and because we are a 5 series we actually have a bigger LPFP than the 3 series and therefore between that fact and the meth, he can deliver the fuel to max out the PS2.

What is the max on a PS2... I was able to ask him: it's about 22lbs of boost to redline. It will spike to 28, but it'll only hold 22 to redline. Factors: how well your intake and exhaust flow. I'm very interested to see how my intake holds up and with a catless dp and armytrix full exhaust I should flow well.

I also asked him about burble - he said it's ok in moderation but it'll actually wash out the cylinders with the extra gas and burn oil. He said BMW uses it in moderation for a reason. I have mine at like 1 second or so for anything over 4k rpms... he said that's fine. But maxing it out is no good... and I specifically asked about it impacting the turbo but he only mentioned what I said.

So in conclusion simple is better and between an e-mix and meth we can take this thing to the max level of the PS2 which is the most economical turbo upgrade available. After that you'll need to go the route $howtime456 did! I am very excited about meth injection considering the cooling, cleaning, and detonation protection it can provide... fuel rail pressure is just an added bonus!!!

Links:

MHD FlexFuel:
https://www.bimecu.com/mhd-can-flexf...ickinstall-kit

Meth 2.5:
https://www.ecstuning.com/b-snowperf...it/sno210~sno/

PepMo · 07-09-2021, 11:52 AM

I'm curious to know how much E can you run on the stock HPFP. I'm maxed out at 20 psi from 5500-6500 now with my current BMS intake.

ziekxq · 07-09-2021, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by PepMo

I'm curious to know how much E can you run on the stock HPFP. I'm maxed out at 20 psi from 5500-6500 now with my current BMS intake.

I am not sure if that has anything to do with bms intake lol.

I was running k&n air charger and now I am running k&n drop-in... much better throttle response with stock box and k&n drop-in. Next is to upgrade boost pipe and cold side pipe.

BimmerHausPerformance · 07-09-2021, 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by PepMo

I'm curious to know how much E can you run on the stock HPFP. I'm maxed out at 20 psi from 5500-6500 now with my current BMS intake.

If you have the old style pump there is not limit. You can run full e85

PepMo · 07-09-2021, 12:06 PM

I think the BMS intake helped me make 1 psi up top from 6000 to redline. But it is sucking in all that hot air.

08-08-2020, 05:55 AM	#464
Bmwdoubles_ Lieutenant 194 Rep 517 Posts Drives: BMW F10 535 Join Date: Mar 2020 Location: Los Angeles iTrader: (1) Garage List [0.00]	Ok after 50 million repairs back at it with D Shoup https://datazap.me/u/bmwdoubles/123b...&data=3-14 It's making 420ish WHP that's almost 500 at the crank. I think i can get under 500whp with some adjustments including a 3.5 tmap. __________________ BPM Tuned, Advanced Fuel Dynamics, Paddoq Valved Exhaust, Paddoq Magnetic Paddles, EDC dampers, Dinan Springs, H&R Sway. DCT all day long. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCFu...fWjCtOz49FDMlg
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08-08-2020, 10:47 AM	#465
BimmerHausPerformance Major 513 Rep 1,442 Posts Drives: 2011 535i 6MT Join Date: Apr 2019 Location: Chattanooga iTrader: (1) Garage List 2011 BMW 535i [0.00]	Wow good news! __________________ 2011 F10 S55 6MT Website Insta @bimmerhausperformance YouTube
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08-19-2020, 08:09 PM	#471
BimmerHausPerformance Major 513 Rep 1,442 Posts Drives: 2011 535i 6MT Join Date: Apr 2019 Location: Chattanooga iTrader: (1) Garage List 2011 BMW 535i [0.00]	Is there a build thread on this? I want to see more pics!!?
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09-06-2020, 10:18 AM	#477
$howtime456 Major 301 Rep 1,230 Posts Drives: BMW 640i Join Date: Mar 2017 Location: NY iTrader: (0)	bump!!! __________________ N55 GENERAL David Shoup Tuned Fully Built By Miami Engines/Project Motorworks Precision 6266 On Steroids
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09-07-2020, 11:48 AM	#478
beegeezy Second Lieutenant 70 Rep 210 Posts Drives: 2013 535i M-Sport Join Date: Jan 2020 Location: New Orleans iTrader: (0)	Do you need MHD or BM3 for David to tune?
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07-09-2021, 11:02 AM	#480
BimmerHausPerformance Major 513 Rep 1,442 Posts Drives: 2011 535i 6MT Join Date: Apr 2019 Location: Chattanooga iTrader: (1) Garage List 2011 BMW 535i [0.00]	Bringing this thread back... I just had a great convo with DS and I wanted to share some cause I think this is gold for the community. For those on the old style HPFP and PS2 that want that have mid 500 WHP goals (maxing the PS2) he recommended doing a CAN Flex Fuel analyzer with MHD and a snow stage 2.5 or 3 Meth injection. He said on that set up would max out the PS2. So hear what I'm saying here cause this is NEWS TO ME: no HPFP OR LPFP upgrades required. Our cars are E85 ready to go. (he did recommend doing a LPFP upgrade and to do THAT right means an EOS EKP module which is more money, but it's not required) The key here is the meth, it actually raises the fuel rail pressure and because we are a 5 series we actually have a bigger LPFP than the 3 series and therefore between that fact and the meth, he can deliver the fuel to max out the PS2. What is the max on a PS2... I was able to ask him: it's about 22lbs of boost to redline. It will spike to 28, but it'll only hold 22 to redline. Factors: how well your intake and exhaust flow. I'm very interested to see how my intake holds up and with a catless dp and armytrix full exhaust I should flow well. I also asked him about burble - he said it's ok in moderation but it'll actually wash out the cylinders with the extra gas and burn oil. He said BMW uses it in moderation for a reason. I have mine at like 1 second or so for anything over 4k rpms... he said that's fine. But maxing it out is no good... and I specifically asked about it impacting the turbo but he only mentioned what I said. So in conclusion simple is better and between an e-mix and meth we can take this thing to the max level of the PS2 which is the most economical turbo upgrade available. After that you'll need to go the route $howtime456 did! I am very excited about meth injection considering the cooling, cleaning, and detonation protection it can provide... fuel rail pressure is just an added bonus!!! Links: MHD FlexFuel: https://www.bimecu.com/mhd-can-flexf...ickinstall-kit Meth 2.5: https://www.ecstuning.com/b-snowperf...it/sno210~sno/ __________________ 2011 F10 S55 6MT Website Insta @bimmerhausperformance YouTube
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PepMo Private First Class 18 Rep 104 Posts Drives: 2014 535i Join Date: Jul 2019 Location: CA iTrader: (0)	I'm curious to know how much E can you run on the stock HPFP. I'm maxed out at 20 psi from 5500-6500 now with my current BMS intake.
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PepMo Private First Class 18 Rep 104 Posts Drives: 2014 535i Join Date: Jul 2019 Location: CA iTrader: (0)	I think the BMS intake helped me make 1 psi up top from 6000 to redline. But it is sucking in all that hot air.
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