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      09-10-2019, 06:07 AM   #67
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Who buy's a new 7 Series? Just sayin...
Lots of people who love luxury sedans like me. Would not mind one in the future.
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if you can spec 5 as nice as 7 (in every way, at least for the front seat) would you still buy, consider you drive yourself, at least I wouldn't
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if you can spec 5 as nice as 7 (in every way, at least for the front seat) would you still buy, consider you drive yourself, at least I wouldn't
The G30 has closed the gap on the G11 7-Series. But that may be a different story when the next Gen 7-Series (G70) debuts in a couple of years.
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Lots of people who love luxury sedans like me. Would not mind one in the future.
If I were to buy a 7 Series, it would be a used E38 740i!
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If I were to buy a 7 Series, it would be a used E38 740i!
Smaller than a current 5 series
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... but, yeah... I want to get an e38 750 and 6mt swap it.
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Lots of people who love luxury sedans like me. Would not mind one in the future.
If I were to buy a 7 Series, it would be a used E38 740i!
I like the look of the E38 but I am not fond of the teething issues of a 20 year old BMW.
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I like the look of the E38 but I am not fond of the teething issues of a 20 year old BMW.
Well of course not. Plus they had the Nikasil block issues. I just loved the looks of them.
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I like the look of the E38 but I am not fond of the teething issues of a 20 year old BMW.
Well of course not. Plus they had the Nikasil block issues. I just loved the looks of them.
Yes I remember when James Bond used to drive one. The E65 that followed was a shocking change to say the least...
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Yes I remember when James Bond used to drive one. The E65 that followed was a shocking change to say the least...
It was an abomination if you ask me.
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wasn't E65 suppose to be one of the best selling 7 series though, like Bangel was controversial but it reached a lot new audience (also the first time they put iDrive? which wasn't great back then...)
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wasn't E65 suppose to be one of the best selling 7 series though, like Bangel was controversial but it reached a lot new audience (also the first time they put iDrive? which wasn't great back then...)
Yes indeed, it was the best selling 7er of all time. G01 and G11/12 that came after it were not able to top it in the sales charts.
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So this guy can't hook up some iDumbass gadget to a vehicle he's supposed to be focused on driving, and gets so triggered he has to slag BMW for it? Good grief.

I don't even know wtf Apple Carplay is nor do I care.
Okay well most BMW drivers have an iOS device, and a 740i is not exactly a performance car. Good grief? It's a luxury car, part of that is making it easy to hook up your phone or play music or whatever (are you saying that's not a part of comfort or luxury??) The phone integration on BMWs has been awful over the entire existence of phone integration in BMWs. The writer is just making a point of.....why? Why can't BMW just have a few of their engineers get together for a day and fix these silly issues when a $20k Hyundai can do it so easily.

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Don't get me wrong. Apple CarPlay is was a big selling point, (though it's pretty much standard now) but who the hell buys a car based on how well it connects to their phone? Is that a real car buyer?
I did, to an extent. I have had 2x F30s in a the past few years and one of my biggest annoyances with the last car was the absolute disaster that hooking up to my phone was. I actually changed from Android to iOS in my '16 F30 because I was so bothered by how awful the Android integration was, only to be nearly as disappointed in the iOS.

When time came to get a new car the two biggest things which made me actually leave the brand for - gasp - Toyota were the convoluted integration (which bothers you every time you get in the car and you have to pay for?? Seriously??) and the fact that if I wanted simple radar cruise it was going to cost me thousands more (standard in Accord, Camry, etc...). I just do not understand why BMW cannot offer basic features that come in a $19k Honda Civic which greatly improve your daily experience of using the car. They have entire teams devoted to making sure the tactile feel of the buttons or the chirps and beeps sound "right" yet they ignore basic things which affect the driver constantly.

If those things are not a big deal to you I understand, we all have different expectations or reasons for buying a car. I do have to say, however, you should not just blindly support the brand over being cheap or ignoring basic technology. It's not like your mother is the one at BMW responsible for deciding what the basic equipment is. Personally I find it ridiculous that a Honda Accord has better daily functional tech and features than a 330i nearly twice the price. It's plainly obvious that the BMW is the better car, and especially if you option it up, but BMW has for sure fallen behind on value and are currently overly reliant on prestige.
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All German car are stingy on option until the market force them...
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All German car are stingy on option until the market force them...
I don't see that changing anytime soon. It works for them.
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Modern car tech I actively avoid:
Turbos
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direct injection
any form of auto pilot/auto brake/lane keep assist
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Modern tech I desire in a car:
CarPlay
I believe a horse and an Amish style buggy suits you quite well.
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Pretty sure those don't offer carplay
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Okay well most BMW drivers have an iOS device, and a 740i is not exactly a performance car. Good grief? It's a luxury car, part of that is making it easy to hook up your phone or play music or whatever (are you saying that's not a part of comfort or luxury??) The phone integration on BMWs has been awful over the entire existence of phone integration in BMWs. The writer is just making a point of.....why? Why can't BMW just have a few of their engineers get together for a day and fix these silly issues when a $20k Hyundai can do it so easily.



I did, to an extent. I have had 2x F30s in a the past few years and one of my biggest annoyances with the last car was the absolute disaster that hooking up to my phone was. I actually changed from Android to iOS in my '16 F30 because I was so bothered by how awful the Android integration was, only to be nearly as disappointed in the iOS.

When time came to get a new car the two biggest things which made me actually leave the brand for - gasp - Toyota were the convoluted integration (which bothers you every time you get in the car and you have to pay for?? Seriously??) and the fact that if I wanted simple radar cruise it was going to cost me thousands more (standard in Accord, Camry, etc...). I just do not understand why BMW cannot offer basic features that come in a $19k Honda Civic which greatly improve your daily experience of using the car. They have entire teams devoted to making sure the tactile feel of the buttons or the chirps and beeps sound "right" yet they ignore basic things which affect the driver constantly.

If those things are not a big deal to you I understand, we all have different expectations or reasons for buying a car. I do have to say, however, you should not just blindly support the brand over being cheap or ignoring basic technology. It's not like your mother is the one at BMW responsible for deciding what the basic equipment is. Personally I find it ridiculous that a Honda Accord has better daily functional tech and features than a 330i nearly twice the price. It's plainly obvious that the BMW is the better car, and especially if you option it up, but BMW has for sure fallen behind on value and are currently overly reliant on prestige.
My non-expert opinion on the driver for so many options on German brand cars is due to the negotiation that happens when purchasing a new car. I was able to negotiate my car with over $10K in options to being only about $1500 more than the base model MSRP. So the options become a tool to help keep the price relatively consistent.

When I've done shopping for Toyota and Nissan cars their sales people were a lot less interested in negotiating the price of the car and getting it down significantly wasn't really happening.

With the trend toward "no haggle pricing" and smoother buying experiences we are likely to see this change a lot though.
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Okay well most BMW drivers have an iOS device, and a 740i is not exactly a performance car. Good grief? It's a luxury car, part of that is making it easy to hook up your phone or play music or whatever (are you saying that's not a part of comfort or luxury??) The phone integration on BMWs has been awful over the entire existence of phone integration in BMWs. The writer is just making a point of.....why? Why can't BMW just have a few of their engineers get together for a day and fix these silly issues when a $20k Hyundai can do it so easily.



I did, to an extent. I have had 2x F30s in a the past few years and one of my biggest annoyances with the last car was the absolute disaster that hooking up to my phone was. I actually changed from Android to iOS in my '16 F30 because I was so bothered by how awful the Android integration was, only to be nearly as disappointed in the iOS.

When time came to get a new car the two biggest things which made me actually leave the brand for - gasp - Toyota were the convoluted integration (which bothers you every time you get in the car and you have to pay for?? Seriously??) and the fact that if I wanted simple radar cruise it was going to cost me thousands more (standard in Accord, Camry, etc...). I just do not understand why BMW cannot offer basic features that come in a $19k Honda Civic which greatly improve your daily experience of using the car. They have entire teams devoted to making sure the tactile feel of the buttons or the chirps and beeps sound "right" yet they ignore basic things which affect the driver constantly.

If those things are not a big deal to you I understand, we all have different expectations or reasons for buying a car. I do have to say, however, you should not just blindly support the brand over being cheap or ignoring basic technology. It's not like your mother is the one at BMW responsible for deciding what the basic equipment is. Personally I find it ridiculous that a Honda Accord has better daily functional tech and features than a 330i nearly twice the price. It's plainly obvious that the BMW is the better car, and especially if you option it up, but BMW has for sure fallen behind on value and are currently overly reliant on prestige.
My non-expert opinion on the driver for so many options on German brand cars is due to the negotiation that happens when purchasing a new car. I was able to negotiate my car with over $10K in options to being only about $1500 more than the base model MSRP. So the options become a tool to help keep the price relatively consistent.

When I've done shopping for Toyota and Nissan cars their sales people were a lot less interested in negotiating the price of the car and getting it down significantly wasn't really happening.

With the trend toward "no haggle pricing" and smoother buying experiences we are likely to see this change a lot though.
And that's a good approach because options typically have very little to no resale value long term.
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Hyundai and Kia, which is bigger POS, that's the only question.
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BMW's target market used to be informed buyers interested in the Ultimate Driving Machine. Most of us have moved on to other brands. Here's another example of why:

How a Rented Hyundai Kona is Better than every BMW
I'd rather drive my f15 50i and talk to the IRS over a cheap walkie-talkie, than drive a Hyundai and have virtual sumpin-sumpin with a swimsuit model over CarPlay.
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