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      12-11-2018, 09:23 PM   #1
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My new to me 2015 CPO 535i XDrive Luxury Line came equipped with Goodyear Eagle® LS-2 ROF tires. (245/40R19) As I head into my first Michigan winter with them I am reading reviews and beginning to worry. Worry about their winter performance and their overall performance.

I'm reading about a lot of early failures and the warranty seems to be crap. Only seems to cover issues, like noise and roughness, found in the very first bit of use. No real coverage for failures as far as I can tell. But I can only read so much fine print, I will admit.

And their winter performance seems to be sub par.

Anyone have experience with them? What's the go to tire(s) I should be looking for?

I dread the cost of both new all seasons to avoid failure and new winter to survive in Michigan. This is my daily driver.

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My new to me 2015 CPO 535i XDrive Luxury Line came equipped with Goodyear Eagle® LS-2 ROF tires. (245/40R19) As I head into my first Michigan winter with them I am reading reviews and beginning to worry. Worry about their winter performance and their overall performance.

I'm reading about a lot of early failures and the warranty seems to be crap. Only seems to cover issues, like noise and roughness, found in the very first bit of use. No real coverage for failures as far as I can tell. But I can only read so much fine print, I will admit.

And their winter performance seems to be sub par.

Anyone have experience with them? What's the go to tire(s) I should be looking for?

I dread the cost of both new all seasons to avoid failure and new winter to survive in Michigan. This is my daily driver.

Thx
The LS2's are garbage, IMHO. I believe your stock tire is a 245/45. IMHO you would need a dedicated snow tire/wheel combo to be safe. a 245 wide tire, IMHO, is a little wide for snow driving. If you get little/light snow a good all-season should be OK.
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      12-12-2018, 12:12 PM   #3
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The Goodyear LS2 tires are not good for many reasons:
- rough ride: I have had softer runflats that handle better
- easily damaged by potholes: I killed two of them in one go, as they blister quite easily
- like most all-season tires, they cannot compare to a dedicated winter tire
- like most all-season tires, they do not handle as well as a high-performance summer tire

If you are looking for a reason to replace your tires, you will find many if not most on this forum will tell you to ditch the Goodyear LS2s for all of the above and more. Having said that, you should be OK for an Ann Arbor winter except for perhaps going to the ski hill or braving a winter storm.
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Thanks for the confirmation. Much of my reading on this forum has confirmed that these tires are crap. I'm glad they haven't caused me trouble yet. Odd that BMW would use them at all.

Recommendations? For winter wheel and tire combo? 17s or 18s? I'm coming from a long line of subaru's and used to just plowing through whatever winter throws at me. I'd like something that won't break the bank, but also won't look too horrible. Will stick with RunFlats too, for now, to avoid the spare tire work.

For better all season for the rest of the year? I'll probably stick with the LS2s until one fails, but want to know what to have lined up for when that happens.

I see quite a few recommendations on the forum over time. Hard to know if they all stand the test of time. Is there a collective current thinking about this?

Really appreciate the help.
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      12-12-2018, 06:29 PM   #5
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I'm not sure the 17's fit the 5 series any longer.
Of course dedicated winters are the best option but I get by on Conti DWS just fine.
I have friends in Grand Blanc that drive 5 and 3 series XDrive that are happy with
Michelin Primacy which are all season also. I have made trips there for visits during
prime time (December/January) with no issues. Now what you will run into is the want
of run flats, this will greatly lower your choices.
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      12-12-2018, 06:44 PM   #6
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For winter driving in the Canadian snow-belt, I had Nokian Hakkapeliitta runflats on 18 x 8" aftermarket wheels on my F10 that performed exceptionally well. They were oversized at 245/50/18, but worked without any rubbing issues and configured like this my xDrive was unstoppable. When I lowered my car, I had to switch tires and ended up switching wheels too, so now I now have a set of Nokian WR A4 runflats on a different set of 18 x 8.5" wheels. These newer tires are 245/45/18 which is a correct size for the F10. I have not yet tried them in much snow, but expect to soon when I go skiing in the near future. They should be nearly as good as the Hakkapeliittas but are more performance oriented.
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For winter wheels, I'm looking for 18x8, right? What offset am I looking for? I'm trying to figure it out from what I can find on this forum, but I'm unclear how to take into account the wheel size change from 19x8.5 to 18x8 and I'm not sure how to find out what my existing offsets are. I think they are 35.

I'm thinking that 18x8 with a 40 offset is about equivalent. Did I get that right?

Here are two options I'm considering. Thoughts? Alternatives? Alternative sources?
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For winter driving in the Canadian snow-belt, I had Nokian Hakkapeliitta runflats on 18 x 8" aftermarket wheels on my F10 that performed exceptionally well. They were oversized at 245/50/18, but worked without any rubbing issues and configured like this my xDrive was unstoppable. When I lowered my car, I had to switch tires and ended up switching wheels too, so now I now have a set of Nokian WR A4 runflats on a different set of 18 x 8.5" wheels. These newer tires are 245/45/18 which is a correct size for the F10. I have not yet tried them in much snow, but expect to soon when I go skiing in the near future. They should be nearly as good as the Hakkapeliittas but are more performance oriented.
I'm nervous about running tires as wide as 245, from what I've read. Really surprised to hear you had such luck with them in the Canadian snow-belt. Did you face much bad snow when you had them?

Would this option look like what you had?
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      12-13-2018, 12:54 AM   #9
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you can get some ideas in the MarketPlace as you'll find people selling they're winter setups.
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Call Tire Rack and ask about a package. They will be able to tell you the correct offset.

Good luck.
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      12-13-2018, 12:29 PM   #11
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I'm nervous about running tires as wide as 245, from what I've read. Really surprised to hear you had such luck with them in the Canadian snow-belt. Did you face much bad snow when you had them?
I lived in Ottawa, Ontario, for the first three years of my F10 ownership. We regularly got 12-15" / 30-40 cm of snow per dump, and sometimes more. By the end of the snowing season, the snow was 3' high in the yard, and the snow banks were of course higher than that. I would wake up in the morning and the snow would be up to the middle of the wheels. I would not have to shovel, just place the car in gear and drive. Amazing traction on snow, ice, slush, etc, with the Hakkapeliittas. Yes, narrow tires would work better, but I can say without reservation that the xDrive / Nokian combination made the best vehicle in snow I have ever owned in the past 40 years.

Regarding your tire/wheel choice, tires are oversized in that they are taller than stock. I did use that size for my aforementioned review, and they can work for you as long as your wheel offset is OK and you are not lowered. The wheels will not fit as the bolt pattern is 5 x 114.3 vice the 5 x 120 that you need for the F10. Also, if the offset is truly 40 (I'm guessing at the number down in the description), then this is too high, and you will be facing rubbing issues against the suspension.

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I lived in Ottawa, Ontario, for the first three years of my F10 ownership. We regularly got 12-15" / 30-40 cm of snow per dump, and sometimes more. By the end of the snowing season, the snow was 3' high in the yard, and the snow banks were of course higher than that. I would wake up in the morning and the snow would be up to the middle of the wheels. I would not have to shovel, just place the car in gear and drive. Amazing traction on snow, ice, slush, etc, with the Hakkapeliittas. Yes, narrow tires would work better, but I can say without reservation that the xDrive / Nokia combination made the best vehicle in snow I have ever owned in the past 40 years.

Regarding your tire/wheel choice, tires are oversized in that they are taller than stock. I did use that size for my aforementioned review, and they can work for you as long as your wheel offset is OK and you are not lowered. The wheels will not fit as the bolt pattern is 5 x 114.3 vice the 5 x 120 that you need for the F10. Also, if the offset is truly 40 (I'm guessing at the number down in the description), then this is too high, and you will be facing rubbing issues against the suspension.

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cdmulders, I really appreciate you sticking with me on this. I think I have this figured out. My current wheels are 19x8.5 with 33 offset. Moving to 18x8 wheels, I should be ok with a 32 offset. I have the bolt pattern correct now as well. With that, and the tires you are recommending, I think I can go with the following combination from Discount Tire. It doesn't look like TireRack sells Nokian, or at least, not these Nokians.

Did I miss anything else?
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Moving to 18x8 wheels, I should be ok with a 32 offset. I have the bolt pattern correct now as well. With that, and the tires you are recommending, I think I can go with the following combination from Discount Tire.
This will work and is nearly identical to what I had for five winter seasons. Just a couple of more points to make sure you are OK:
- 245/45/18 is the proper size for the F10. As I said, 245/50/18 you propose will work, and will fill the wheel arches a little more since the overall diameter of the tire is about one inch more than a 245/45/18. I have a picture somewhere of what these wheels / tires looked like on my F10, and will post if I can find it.
- A 245 size tire (this is the width of the tread, just in case you did not know) is a little wide for a 8" wide wheel, but can work. The tires will bulge a bit. If you wanted a more streamlined fit, then you should go with 8.5" wide wheel, still keeping the 32mm offset.

Cheers.

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Save your money and go with 17" wheels and 225/55-17 winter tires. For example, BMW wheel style 327 was standard on base model 528xi and are available for about $100 each on the internet (ebay or craigslist). Modern winter tires are formulated with similar compounds and perform much the same, so not much is gained from spending top dollar for Nokian or Michelin. In fact, Consumer Reports ranks Cooper and Hankook ahead of more expensive brands. Finally, while 245 tires will look cooler on your car, narrower 225's are more effective in deep snow and on slippery roads.

I am confident about the fit as I have those wheels and tires on my '16 535d xdrive and live in a snow belt off of Lake Erie. Last year we had 200 inches of snow, so I can vouch for the value of narrower 17" wheels and winter tires. Good luck on your purchase.
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Thanks for all the help. My baby has her winter boots on now.
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