[HypoxicWaiter]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

Kimi is a different kettle of fish

With all the drink

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by HypoxicWaiter

With all the drink

With all the media wolves hassling him can you blame him.

[SteveChester]

Wonder if Silverstone this year will be as interesting……..

[M2CS]

Originally Posted by NYG

George squeezed Gasly as Pierre was already tracking to the outside. It also looks like Russell looked in the mirror before doing it.

I'd say this is much closer to an incident than what Lewis did to Max last year which was unforgivable IMO, especially with his celebrations after but Russell needs to be penalized for this - it was reckless.

Only thing Lewis did to Max at Silverstone last year was not make his car magically disappear after Max tried to squeeze him into the wall. Max turned in on Lewis which resulted in him getting an instant lesson in physics.

[NYG]

Originally Posted by M2CS

Only thing Lewis did to Max at Silverstone last year was not make his car magically disappear after Max tried to squeeze him into the wall. Max turned in on Lewis which resulted in him getting an instant lesson in physics.

Do you love living in fantasy land?

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by NYG

Do you love living in fantasy land?

HAM onboard at Copse ...

[M2CS]

Originally Posted by NYG

Do you love living in fantasy land?

What's that supposed to show other than exactly what I said? Max tried to squeeze HAM into the wall, HAM didn't back out, Max turned into HAM, Max got the bad end of the stick, but it's fantasy to think Lewis can make his car disappear or two objects can occupy the same space at the same time. Sucked for MAX, but that's what bully tactics get ya sometimes.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by M2CS

What's that supposed to show other than exactly what I said? Max tried to squeeze HAM into the wall, HAM didn't back out, Max turned into HAM, Max got the bad end of the stick, but it's fantasy to think Lewis can make his car disappear or two objects can occupy the same space at the same time. Sucked for MAX, but that's what bully tactics get ya sometimes.

Disagree. HAM caused collision by bloody mindedly staying in the middle of track when normal line would be more to the right for him.

[M2CS]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

Disagree. HAM caused collision by bloody mindedly staying in the middle of track when normal line would be more to the right for him.

They both went into the corner hot, but look at HAM's wheel before the collision. HAM never turned towards MAX, he was turning into the corner and on corner entry it could be argued that HAM had the line and MAX should've yielded. Either way, MAX's style is to never give an inch so instead of giving an inch he received a trackside barrier. It's done and over.

[GuidoK]

Originally Posted by M2CS

What's that supposed to show other than exactly what I said? Max tried to squeeze HAM into the wall, HAM didn't back out, Max turned into HAM, Max got the bad end of the stick, but it's fantasy to think Lewis can make his car disappear or two objects can occupy the same space at the same time. Sucked for MAX, but that's what bully tactics get ya sometimes.

euhhhmmmmmm
Hammy got penalized for his actions....

Max left over 1,5 carwidth room on the inside. Hammy decided that that wasn't enough....(in reality Hammy went in way too hot, his trajectory didn't even follow the racing line...)

get your facts straight.

Max left easily enough room on the inside for a car to pass. Ham rammed Max off the track.

Here's from another angle, just before they touched: Just look how much room VER left for HAM.
Easily enough to fit a F1 car, but Hammy decided not to use that space.
Remember that VER is leading into the corner, thus he can follow the racing line. All he has to do is leave enough room. And he did. That is why Hammy got penalized and VER didnt.
If it was a racing incident, none would have been penalized. But it wasn't

[Jiren]

Originally Posted by GuidoK

euhhhmmmmmm
Hammy got penalized for his actions....

Max left over 1,5 carwidth room on the inside. Hammy decided that that wasn't enough....(in reality Hammy went in way too hot, his trajectory didn't even follow the racing line...)

get your facts straight.

Max left easily enough room on the inside for a car to pass. Ham rammed Max off the track.

Here's from another angle, just before they touched: Just look how much room VER left for HAM.
Easily enough to fit a F1 car, but Hammy decided not to use that space.
Remember that VER is leading into the corner, thus he can follow the racing line. All he has to do is leave enough room. And he did. That is why Hammy got penalized and VER didnt.
If it was a racing incident, none would have been penalized. But it wasn't

Looks an awful lot like max driving into and cutting off Ham

[M2CS]

Originally Posted by GuidoK

euhhhmmmmmm
Hammy got penalized for his actions....

Max left over 1,5 carwidth room on the inside. Hammy decided that that wasn't enough....(in reality Hammy went in way too hot, his trajectory didn't even follow the racing line...)

get your facts straight.

Max left easily enough room on the inside for a car to pass. Ham rammed Max off the track.

Here's from another angle, just before they touched: Just look how much room VER left for HAM.
Easily enough to fit a F1 car, but Hammy decided not to use that space.
Remember that VER is leading into the corner, thus he can follow the racing line. All he has to do is leave enough room. And he did. That is why Hammy got penalized and VER didnt.
If it was a racing incident, none would have been penalized. But it wasn't

MAX didn't willingly leave any room, he also went into the corner hot and turned in late that's why he's positioned where he is. Both drivers were in hot, but the driver that initiated the contact was MAX.

Had MAX not have flown off track into the barrier, it's unlikely HAM would've received any penalty because he really didn't do anything but hold his ground.

[GuidoK]

Originally Posted by M2CS

MAX didn't willingly leave any room, he also went into the corner hot and turned in late that's why he's positioned where he is. Both drivers were in hot, but the driver that initiated the contact was MAX.

Had MAX not have flown off track into the barrier, it's unlikely HAM would've received any penalty because he really didn't do anything but hold his ground.

Look at the picture. There's more than enough room for hammy.
Hammy got penalized for it, not Max....
If Hammy was nothing to blame, he wouldn't have gotten penalized, it would have been a racing incident. But it wasn't....
Clearly you don't understand the issue, clearly you don't understand the FIA's reasoning.
Hammy didn't use the room that Max left him on the inside (that huge gap just right there.....)

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by GuidoK

euhhhmmmmmm
Hammy got penalized for his actions....

Max left over 1,5 carwidth room on the inside. Hammy decided that that wasn't enough....(in reality Hammy went in way too hot, his trajectory didn't even follow the racing line...)

get your facts straight.

Max left easily enough room on the inside for a car to pass. Ham rammed Max off the track.

Here's from another angle, just before they touched: Just look how much room VER left for HAM.
Easily enough to fit a F1 car, but Hammy decided not to use that space.
Remember that VER is leading into the corner, thus he can follow the racing line. All he has to do is leave enough room. And he did. That is why Hammy got penalized and VER didnt.
If it was a racing incident, none would have been penalized. But it wasn't

After stewards found HAM responsible for causing a collision they failed to take further action when he said that he'd knowingly do the same again.

[M2CS]

Originally Posted by GuidoK

Look at the picture. There's more than enough room for hammy.
Hammy got penalized for it, not Max....
If Hammy was nothing to blame, he wouldn't have gotten penalized, it would have been a racing incident. But it wasn't....
Clearly you don't understand the issue, clearly you don't understand the FIA's reasoning.
Hammy didn't use the room that Max left him on the inside (that huge gap just right there.....)

You can't always look at a picture to tell the story of what's happening in the situation because it's not providing context. Both drivers were fighting for position and went into a corner hot. So you can't use their normal turn-in points or the usual apex to judge them because neither used their normal turn-in due to the on track battle.

Funny how you have to ignore MAX trying to squeeze HAM into the wall moments before the corner, to claim HAM is so wrong for not yielding to MAX. So if when MAX squeezed HAM toward the wall, HAM hit the wall then crashed into MAX is that a racing incident? Is that MAX or HAM's fault? You feel it's good hard racing for MAX to squeeze HAM to the wall, but HAM's judgement is flawed for not giving way to MAX even though HAM had pulled right along side MAX at the normal turn-in point?

Again, it's an old incident but MAX turned into HAM. RD made several BS calls and no calls throughout last year so the claim that well HAM got a penalty (it was a light penalty anyway) doesn't mean much.

[br438]

Originally Posted by M2CS

MAX didn't willingly leave any room, he also went into the corner hot and turned in late that's why he's positioned where he is. Both drivers were in hot, but the driver that initiated the contact was MAX.

Had MAX not have flown off track into the barrier, it's unlikely HAM would've received any penalty because he really didn't do anything but hold his ground.

You can't hold your ground when you are closing on a car from .. and not midway on a car approaching the apex.

That shunt - without which Hamilton would've been out of the championship contention... even though the FIA was kind in penalties the day of... that shunt cost Hamilton any chance of the FIA and F1 being able to allow him to win a close championship. His disdain for the safety of Max was his undoing last season. It was never said out loud, but the small decisions for the rest of the season by the FIA were made on a concrete pathway that Lewis himself poured and shaped.

[M2CS]

Originally Posted by br438

You can't hold your ground when you are closing on a car from .. and not midway on a car approaching the apex.

That shunt - without which Hamilton would've been out of the championship contention... even though the FIA was kind in penalties the day of... that shunt cost Hamilton any chance of the FIA and F1 being able to allow him to win a close championship. His disdain for the safety of Max was his undoing last season. It was never said out loud, but the small decisions for the rest of the season by the FIA were made on a concrete pathway that Lewis himself poured and shaped.

Tell that to Max, he does it routinely and much worse.

[tdott]

Not work talking about this again. Maxipads can believe what they want.

Real racers knows Max got what he deserved for turning into another hoping they will back off since he never does.

Masi is a crook. Everyone knows it.