[cbertels]

Originally Posted by TheStanman

It's the unfortunate reality right now. OEMs are having to choose between:
a) Don't produce car at all
b) Produce but omit certain features

Everyone agrees it's "unacceptable", including BMW. All parties want it resolved ASAP, but Option B is better than Option A.

That's the manufacturers standpoint. Mine is A) buy car with missing features B) buy different car with desired features C) wait to purchase until features are available. For me, C is the right call.

[vt100]

Originally Posted by Dr.Deep

Maybe some of you already have seen it, there is an official statement from BMW now…
In short: There is new hardware already in those cars, but software is not ready yet, therefore an update will make it available.
...

So they've started selling new HW that doesn't have proper SW support yet.. and it's safe to assume that this HW hasn't been properly tested yet..

What can possibly go wrong?!

[Dr.Deep]

Originally Posted by vt100

So they've started selling new HW that doesn't have proper SW support yet.. and it's safe to assume that this HW hasn't been properly tested yet..

What can possibly go wrong?!

Well, I hope that BMW and their manufacturers do test the hardware before putting it on production lines….but who knows nowadays.

[DNYC1919]

Is every manufacturer having same issues ? I mean car company.

[NGT2]

Originally Posted by DNYC1919

Is every manufacturer having same issues ? I mean car company.

Yes

[chad86tsi]

Originally Posted by vt100

So they've started selling new HW that doesn't have proper SW support yet.. and it's safe to assume that this HW hasn't been properly tested yet..

What can possibly go wrong?!

It is the Tesla method (in this order):

1. Design it
2. build it
3. sell it
4. make it work

[vt100]

Originally Posted by Dr.Deep

Well, I hope that BMW and their manufacturers do test the hardware before putting it on production lines….but who knows nowadays.

If SW is not yet available then likely only limited testing was done with some basic SW factory tools.
Lots of different issues pop up during testing of final customer builds. And those issues are almost never caught by basic factory tests. But some of them could be caused by malfunctioned HW. Don't ask me how I know

[vt100]

Originally Posted by chad86tsi

It is the Tesla method (in this order):

1. Design it
2. build it
3. sell it
4. make it work

Hehe... exactly!

[Bimmer North]

Originally Posted by agentorange

Could be worse. Audi is shipping $60k+ cars without keyless entry. Ummm, no sale.

Nope. Picked up my $60k Audi with keyless entry

[xtopher84]

Saw a Q5 yesterday at dealer with a "Semiconductor Shortage Package" listed on the window sticker. Removed blind spot monitoring, lane keep assist, adaptive cruise and rear traffic warning. Calling this a "package" was laughable.

[BobBMWX3]

I dont think this is a big deal. Actually, I feel like BMW is doing their best smart move that does not impact the customer greatly. We all know the chip shortage is an issue. So, BMW has found another source. Instead of removing a chip, they are sourcing a new one. Here they have promised to deliver vehicles without missing hardware and update it later. So, you live a couple of weeks without these two features while they get the software programmed.

On a personal note, if I have wireless bluetooth, I dont need Apple Carplay or Andriod. I think ID7 is much better. I just hook up with that and dont have to see that child interface of Carplay.

[nerdogray]

Couple of weeks? BMW struggles to even update their web sites.

[ramparts]

Current update ( 10th May 2022 ):
- S18A-22-03-552 Brings back Vehicle WiFi, with support for apps. Included in ISTA 4.35.18. This will be rolled out as a Remote software upgrade at the end of May
- Carplay/AA will be rolled out via online provisioning starting 19th May.
- Affected vehicles should now show a recall campaign on checking: https://www.bmw.ie/en/topics/owners/...l#recallLookup
See attached technical campaign notes

[Rivanov]

As expected due to 6P1 code.

[matbl]

Originally Posted by cbertels

This feels wildly unacceptable given the sticker of most vehicles. I'm not intimately familiar with specific supply chains but a 2022+ vehicle without what should be standard features seems ridiculous.

As others have said, it's either that or no car at all.

With some insight into semiconductor supply chains, I don't envy the car manufacturers.

Some semiconductors have lead times of 14-16 months. So if you order the parts now, you will get them in Jul-Sep 2023.

The auto industry's long product cycles don't help as most semiconductors used in cars are of an older type and most of the new semiconductor manufacturing capacity is added on newer types only.

Car companies that are able to do a disruptive design change and stop having 30+ (think I've heard over 100 in some cases) small computers and go for one bigger and then keep up with new chipsets at least once a year will have an easier times than those that are unable or unwilling to do so.
I.e. it will be easier for Tesla than for BMW, VW (incl Audi), Daimler/Merc, etc...
It's all about design strategy and software development capability. Unfortunately, the German car manufacturers are not that good at the software part...

[Burrcold]

Originally Posted by xtopher84

Saw a Q5 yesterday at dealer with a "Semiconductor Shortage Package" listed on the window sticker. Removed blind spot monitoring, lane keep assist, adaptive cruise and rear traffic warning. Calling this a "package" was laughable.

It's smart of them and helpful as a consumer. You see exactly what's missing, no second guessing, and will show on the window sticker for easier use for the next buyer down the road. Who cares that they call it a package...it is a package, a package of deleted items.

[LHNbmw]

Originally Posted by fvfvsix

If the update can be done via OTA update, they likely had the new control hardware finished before they could validate the CarPlay/Android Auto software (which are likely "containerized", from a software perspective for security purposes).

As for your other question - there's no reason the replacement controller (chip) would be inferior to the original. They are both likely equally spec'ed Cortex-based processors, perhaps from different manufacturers - which would need a code re-compile and retargeting for the differences in perpipherals from vendor to vendor.

If the update can be done via OTA update, they likely had the new control hardware finished before they could validate the CarPlay/Android Auto software (which are likely "containerized", from a software perspective for security purposes).

As for your other question - there's no reason the replacement controller (chip) would be inferior to the original. They are both likely equally spec'ed Cortex-based processors, perhaps from different manufacturers - which would need a code re-compile and retargeting for the differences in perpipherals from vendor to vendor.

[LHNbmw]

Originally Posted by fvfvsix

If the update can be done via OTA update, they likely had the new control hardware finished before they could validate the CarPlay/Android Auto software (which are likely "containerized", from a software perspective for security purposes).

As for your other question - there's no reason the replacement controller (chip) would be inferior to the original. They are both likely equally spec'ed Cortex-based processors, perhaps from different manufacturers - which would need a code re-compile and retargeting for the differences in perpipherals from vendor to vendor.

If the update can be done via OTA update, they likely had the new control hardware finished before they could validate the CarPlay/Android Auto software (which are likely "containerized", from a software perspective for security purposes).

As for your other question - there's no reason the replacement controller (chip) would be inferior to the original. They are both likely equally spec'ed Cortex-based processors, perhaps from different manufacturers - which would need a code re-compile and retargeting for the differences in perpipherals from vendor to vendor.

[ramparts]

Software is rolling out now

Everything you need to know is on my first post :

CarPlay/AA Restoration Update - Option Code 6P1 https://g20.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1914179

@mod you can attach to the OP ?

[Raheem]

Originally Posted by ramparts

Software is rolling out now

Everything you need to know is on my first post :

CarPlay/AA Restoration Update - Option Code 6P1 https://g20.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1914179

@mod you can attach to the OP ?

Software is rolling out as in we can activate Android Auto/Car Play now? I'm going on a business trip on the 17th so would be useful to have it for that. Would I have to visit a dealership to get it activated?

Many thanks in advance.

[ramparts]

Originally Posted by Raheem

Software is rolling out as in we can activate Android Auto/Car Play now? I'm going on a business trip on the 17th so would be useful to have it for that. Would I have to visit a dealership to get it activated?

Many thanks in advance.

All the answers are in the faq

[bloozemanAZ]

Originally Posted by FCX5

Audio quality plus the choice of music choices with CarPlay can't be matched by any inbuilt car infotainment system. On ID6 you can also code the full screen CarPlay which is also worth it.

I get the choice of music context but the audio quality is not true whatsoever as both CarPlay an Android Auto are limited to 48kHz and 16bit audio quality when wireless vs USB. That's why I have a 2 TB SSD loaded with either 192 or 96 kHz (depending on the album) and 24-bit high resolution FLAC as my primary source. When I get bored of that then AA with Amazon High Res comes into play but it cannot touch the SSD source whatsoever.

https://devstreaming-cdn.apple.com/v...art_1.pdf?dl=1