[TheWatchGuy]

My dad got an EV rental for our hunting trip in Oklahoma. Probably the worst experience ever.

Closest charger to where we were staying was 20 minutes away. And it was a slow charger so it took 1.5-2hrs to charge the car from 20ish% to 80-100%. Place we stayed at struggles when the AC kicks on, so no charging there either.

Until they can significantly improve EV Charging and get chargers everywhere, there is no way this will work. We were an hour outside of OKC basically right off the highway, so rural, but not very rural. Couldnt imagine how much it would suck for someone well off the beaten path in one of the thousands of small rural towns.

[KRS_SN]

Originally Posted by ASAP

it's hard for me to fault the talents of their CFO ... most companies would have went out of business by now if they were ran like Tesla

Tbh..to run a company like tesla which had no competitor than Nissan leaf and bolt and to do nothing with it and let everyone catch up including byd funky cat n Co

[Car-Addicted]

Originally Posted by TheWatchGuy

My dad got an EV rental for our hunting trip in Oklahoma. Probably the worst experience ever.

First you were pushing the envelope renting a EV in Oklahoma but you got home so it's all good.

I can't get this image out of my head. I assume you were deer hunting? The thought of a dead deer strapped to the hood of a EV posted on social media just makes me LMAO. The sounds of Green heads exploding is music to my ears.

[Germanauto]

Ngl, eagerly awaiting BMW or Alfa to release a legit sporty EV car. This summer gas is costing me nearly $70 bucks a pop, 4-5 times per month. God damn California.

I love ICE as much as the next guy, it needs to live on for sports cars, but for my commute I can't keep bleeding this much cash.

At the moment not a single EV on the market interests me. Bunch of appliances and boats. Hopefully things improve.

[R N M]

Originally Posted by Germanauto

Ngl, eagerly awaiting BMW or Alfa to release a legit sporty EV car. This summer gas is costing me nearly $70 bucks a pop, 4-5 times per month. God damn California.

I love ICE as much as the next guy, it needs to live on for sports cars, but for my commute I can't keep bleeding this much cash.

At the moment not a single EV on the market interests me. Bunch of appliances and boats. Hopefully things improve.

You do realize unless you have solar panels, the additional electricity cost will eat into the gas savings, not to mention greater depreciation on the EV car and eventually additional tax/registration costs to make up for loss of gas tax.

There is no free lunch.
Higher oil prices make everything more expensive including electricity needed to charge EVs.

[R N M]

Originally Posted by TheWatchGuy

My dad got an EV rental for our hunting trip in Oklahoma. Probably the worst experience ever.

Closest charger to where we were staying was 20 minutes away. And it was a slow charger so it took 1.5-2hrs to charge the car from 20ish% to 80-100%. Place we stayed at struggles when the AC kicks on, so no charging there either.

Until they can significantly improve EV Charging and get chargers everywhere, there is no way this will work. We were an hour outside of OKC basically right off the highway, so rural, but not very rural. Couldnt imagine how much it would suck for someone well off the beaten path in one of the thousands of small rural towns.

I was out in LA in August and the Rental company was begging folks to try an EV - everyone that was there declined 😂

[zx10guy]

Originally Posted by Germanauto

Ngl, eagerly awaiting BMW or Alfa to release a legit sporty EV car. This summer gas is costing me nearly $70 bucks a pop, 4-5 times per month. God damn California.

I love ICE as much as the next guy, it needs to live on for sports cars, but for my commute I can't keep bleeding this much cash.

At the moment not a single EV on the market interests me. Bunch of appliances and boats. Hopefully things improve.

The gas taxes imposed by California, the highest in the country, doesn't help.

[M5Rick]

Beware of Tes EV drivers just starting out

[Car-Addicted]

What could possibly go wrong?
Nikola trucks can’t stop catching fire as 4th fire occurs
Sep 8 2023
Another Nikola truck has caught on fire in Phoenix today. It is the fourth fire incident involving Nikola trucks in just a few months – yet the company insists they are safe to drive.
That’s quite a problem when there are only about 200 vehicles on the road.
The recall notice asks owners to leave the car outside to “get better connectivity for over-the-air updates” and not because the vehicles are at risk of catching on fire:

https://electrek.co/2023/09/08/nikol...hing-fire-4th/

[Car-Addicted]

At least two Tesla owners experienced their EV go ablaze after being completely submerged in salt water after wicked weather and extreme tides from Hurricane Idalia rocked the Sunshine State at the end of August, according to Fox 13 News.
McLynas wrote in the post description that the driver was towing the flooded Tesla from a storm-ravaged home when the car had begun flaming. In order to protect the tow truck from the hellfire, the driver unloaded the car at an intersection near Park Boulevard and 65th Way.
Here, local firefighters labored to put out the fire, “but it kept reigniting,” according to the post. “After several attempts to put it out, they just let it burn out. This was all that was left.”

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by ASAP

As I mentioned above... purely speaking anecdotally... i don't think these are cross shoppers. If they are, then they are willing to pay a bit extra for something different and a new type of tech. If your comparo is strictly cost... a Corolla is always the answer for the cheapest, most economical, most durable option....always has been and always will be... in fact, almost no one needs anything outside of a Corolla for basic transportation.

But we all WANT something different... and at the price point mentioned above and the new experience, a lot of people are willing to crossover... and it will be more prevalent the cheaper it gets. I don't want a Model 3 as my primary car... but as a 2nd all around car, sure I would try it at this price point because it offers something different. And at least for ME... I don't know of any other cars, that offers the handling, performance, daily torque and drive ability at this price point.

Ah, the Corolla corollary. I just love it when someone uses the Corolla as the argument when discussing vehicle pricing and use case. Shoes are less expensive than a Corolla, so we should all just walk everywhere as the cheapest form of transportation. Please.

The market sales data indicate the popular choice for most people is purchase of a utilitarian vehicle based on price and class size matched to use case. Using 2022 sales data and taking out the top 3 best-selling vehicles (1) Ford F-series, (2) Chevy Silverado/GMC Sierra, and (3) the RAM pick up, the next five best-selling vehicles are the RAV4 (399,941), Camry (295,201), CR-V (238,155), Tacoma (237,323), and the Model Y (231,400 - estimated). The Model 3 comes in at a distant 15th at 198,200 units - again ESTIMATED. Buyers of the Model 3 and Model Y don't cross shop the Camry and RAV4? Then where do the Tesla buyers come from? Of course, they come from Toyota and Honda.

Numerous pro-EV articles tout the Model Y as the canary-in-the-coal mine that ICE sales are dying. LOL, the RAV4 absolutely blows away the Model Y in sales volume by nearly 73% (168,500 units). The Camry beats the Model 3 by nearly 50% (97,000 units). Telsa has the best charging network for EVs yet the sales numbers show ICE clearly is the preferred automotive choice. The Toyotas and Tesla are well established models, so nothing to infer about new tech, blah, blah, blah. EV has a 100-day supply inventory and ICE has a 53-day supply at the moment.

It's clear, the market really doesn't want EV.

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by Germanauto

Ngl, eagerly awaiting BMW or Alfa to release a legit sporty EV car. This summer gas is costing me nearly $70 bucks a pop, 4-5 times per month. God damn California.

I love ICE as much as the next guy, it needs to live on for sports cars, but for my commute I can't keep bleeding this much cash.

At the moment not a single EV on the market interests me. Bunch of appliances and boats. Hopefully things improve.

So, you'll lose thousands in depreciation, buy an $80,000 EV (increase your insurance rates and spend more money in tires) to save $350 a month in gas?

That makes no sense.

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by R N M

I was out in LA in August and the Rental company was begging folks to try an EV - everyone that was there declined 😂

This is the point. On a business trip where time is at a premium, the last thing a business traveler wants to do is go find a frickin charger in an unfamiliar location and sit there for an hour to recharge.

[zx10guy]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

Beware of Tes EV drivers just starting out

I think it's more of a video about DWA....Driving While Asian.

[Car-Addicted]

Originally Posted by ASAP

a Corolla is always the answer for the cheapest, most economical, most durable option....always has been and always will be... in fact, almost no one needs anything outside of a Corolla for basic transportation.

My first car was a Corolla 1200. It was affectionately named "Roach" because of the roach's found in the ashtray when it was traded into the Toyota dealer I was working at. I paid $600.00 for it. Now that was a environmentally friendly car. Mileage was so good my VW Bug friends were envious. But it was too boring. It got me through college but was replaced by a Triumph GT6.
My first race car was a Corolla 1600 in C Sedan, That got me though drivers school and my first regional but I rolled it in my second regional. Off to the salvage yard it went along with my racing dreams.

So yes the Corolla has been around for more than 50 years, more than 46 million Toyota Corolla vehicles have been sold, according to Autoevolution.
There are a lot of folks that only need or want a cheap, dependable ride. Wouldn't the world be a boring place if those people were the majority.

[Car-Addicted]

Originally Posted by zx10guy

I think it's more of a video about DWA....Driving While Asian.

How politically incorrect of you. But soooo true. I worked in Boston for many years and there is an addendum to that. DWOA ....Driving While Old and Asian. Far scarier,

[Murf the Surf]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

This is the point. On a business trip where time is at a premium, the last thing a business traveler wants to do is go find a frickin charger in an unfamiliar location and sit there for an hour to recharge.

Or on holiday.

[Germanauto]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

So, you'll lose thousands in depreciation, buy an $80,000 EV (increase your insurance rates and spend more money in tires) to save $350 a month in gas?

That makes no sense.

Here's to hoping these cars will not be $80k. Look at the Model 3. If BMW/Alfa can make a ~$50k EV sport sedan the numbers would make sense.

I agree beyond that it doesn't make sense.

[zx10guy]

Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

How politically incorrect of you. But soooo true. I worked in Boston for many years and there is an addendum to that. DWOA ....Driving While Old and Asian. Far scarier,

I'm comfortable in saying that because I'm Asian and know my peeps. LOL.

A scary conversation I heard one time my mom was having. A Chinese guy was talking about how he couldn't understand why the speed limits were so high as his car could never go that fast. My mom told him those are not speed limit signs but the route number for the road.

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by Germanauto

Here's to hoping these cars will not be $80k. Look at the Model 3. If BMW/Alfa can make a ~$50k EV sport sedan the numbers would make sense.

I agree beyond that it doesn't make sense.

Tesla can't even make a $50K EV sports sedan, and they apparently make 40% profit on their cars (I don't believe it - BTW). I mean a real sports sedan that doesn't weigh 4,500 pounds and is controllable at the limits without CAD (computer-aided driving).

[gblansten]

If anyone wants to have a blast driving get a Tesla S Plaid.

[Car-Addicted]

Originally Posted by gblansten

If anyone wants to have a blast driving get a Tesla S Plaid.

You mean like this?