[avengerboater]

Originally Posted by Bmwlvr60

Hey diesel owners, don't apologize for your choice.

No one's apologizing for their choices, to each his own. This thread is not to bash the diesel or for us to justify why we have decided to buy one. I'm sure most of us could afford the 535, 550, or even M5 if we really wanted to go those routes, but in the end we all picked the diesel because that's what we wanted. Cheers.

[Bmwlvr60]

Originally Posted by avengerboater

No one's apologizing for their choices, to each his own. This thread is not to bash the diesel or for us to justify why we have decided to buy one. I'm sure most of us could afford the 535, 550, or even M5 if we really wanted to go those routes, but in the end we all picked the diesel because that's what we wanted. Cheers.

I'm sure it was a great choice for you.

I sensed some awkwardness from some of the postings, but I could be wrong- my wife reminds me of this quite often.

[kube]

Joining the group of diesel-heads (almost) ... re-post of "what did I order" but jumping over from a 2011 535i XDrive to a 2014 535d XDrive. Details....

Placed my order yesterday for a 535d xDrive... decided to go with the diesel as the mpg numbers look pretty good for not too much of an impact in performance -- and with diesel prices about the same as super unleaded in NY, hoping for a nice reduction in my monthly fuel charges!

My config....


535d xDrive
M-Sport Line
Dark Graphite Metallic (glad this color is back - have it now)
Dark Wood trim (love the look of the aluminum, but it gets so hot when the car is in the sun it almost burned my wife one day)
19" 351M all-season run-flat (Hopefully the Goodyear Eagles are gone)
Black Dakota Leather (will miss my Napa, but not an option - yet)
Cold Weather Package (ZCW)
Drive Assistance Package (ZDA)
Driver Assistance Plus (ZDB)
Lighting Package (ZLP)
Luxury Seating (ZLS)
Premium Package (ZPP)
Harmon Kardon Sound System (688)

Waiting on my CA to give me my tracking number and VIR so I can confirm everything is accurate before production starts. Now comes the very painful 8-week wait!

[BimmerBahn]

+1

Ordered and took delivery of a US spec 535d at the Welt a couple weeks ago. Really happy with the car. Last car was a 2011 335d

Config is:

Carbon Black, Black Dakota w/ "exclusive stitching"
Aluminum Hex Trim
M-Sport w/ 704 Sport Suspension
Sport Automatic Transmission (SAT)
Premium Package
Luxury Seating Package
Cold Weather Package
LED Lighting Package
Driver Assistance Plus with ACC Stop-n-Go
Soft-Close Doors
Side/Rear Power Sunshade
H-K Sound

[lmaleke]

Originally Posted by jackaleyess

Well i guess in USA only rich drives diesel. Haha!! In Malaysia its the other way round. But I would really appreciate if our incompetent. Government could intro diesel Euro 4-5 so that we can enjoy Munich diesel rocket. Like 530d and 535d. What we have is only 520d due to our Euro 2M quality.

Similar thing here in Indonesia except BMW Indonesia offers more diesel variants here: 730d Li, E70 X5 3.0d, F30 320d, F10 520d
Perhaps we have better diesel than you guys? Pertamina Dex cetane numbers are at 53 and its sulfur at 350ppm..

[P1]

It's nice to see the 535d is offered with the M Sport Package. I drive an X5 35i and would have loved the 35d, but the M Sport Package was not possible.

[Bowers]

And I cry when I see your gas-prices...

In Norway almost all F10 sold are diesel. (Guessing 95%)

And for the fuelprices...

Gasoline: almost 10$ pr gallon
Diesel: 9$ pr gallon

And just to add to it... My used 2013 F10 520D cost me about 100.000$ to buy

[des16]

Originally Posted by torcar

And I cry when I see your gas-prices...

In Norway almost all F10 sold are diesel. (Guessing 95%)

And for the fuelprices...

Gasoline: almost 10$ pr gallon
Diesel: 9$ pr gallon

And just to add to it... My used 2013 F10 520D cost me about 100.000$ to buy

And what does a beer or a cup of coffee cost in Norway. The culprit, which I am not sure you want to do without, is all the north sea oil that has resulted in Norway being the third richest country in the world (with a per capita GDP about 30% higher than the US and only behind Qatar and Luxembourg) and contributed to an overvalued exchange rate.

[Grover432]

Originally Posted by Ultimate_Driver

This is my 5th BMW and it replaces a 2010 535xi.

I love the car.! It moves off the line with much more confidence and highway acceleration seems very similar to the previous car. Fuel economy with 50/50 city highway and 600 miles is 30.4mpg. Sometimes gentle, sometimes hard driving.

Details below:


Model 145N 535xd
Color A90 Dark Graphite Metallic
Upholstery LCLZ Leather Dakota Black exclusive stitching
Options ZMM M Sport
3DZ Without Lines designation outside
5A1 LED Fog Lights
ZRT Remove Increased Top Speed 840
ZCW Cold Weather Package
248 Heated Steering Wheel
494 Heated front seats
496 Heated rear seats
502 Retractable headlight washers
ZDA Driver Assistance Package
3AG Rear-view camera
508 Park Distance Control
610 Head-up Display
6WA Instrument cluster with extended contents N/C
ZDH Dynamic Handling Package
2VA Adaptive Drive
ZLS Luxury Seating Package
453 Front ventilated seats
455 Active front seats
456 Multi-contour seats
ZPP Premium Package
316 Power tailgate
322 Comfort Access keyless entry
655 Satellite radio with 1 year subscription
337 M Sport Package
2NB†19" Light alloy Double-spoke wheels sty...
4CE†Anthracite Wood Trim
710 M steering wheel
715 Aerodynamic kit
760 Shadowline exterior trim
775 Anthracite headliner
688 Harman Kardon surround sound system
6AN Concierge Services

Wouldn't it have been shorter to just list what you didn't get for options?

[Bowers]

Originally Posted by des16

And what does a beer or a cup of coffee cost in Norway. The culprit, which I am not sure you want to do without, is all the north sea oil that has resulted in Norway being the third richest country in the world (with a per capita GDP about 30% higher than the US and only behind Qatar and Luxembourg) and contributed to an overvalued exchange rate.

A cup of coffee on a coffee-bar is about 5$ and a beer in a restaurant/bar is around 15$ for 0,5 liters.

[FlyAA757]

2014 535d officially ordered!

Carbon Black/Mocha, Aluminum Hex, M-Sport, etc...can't wait.

Driving back to back with the gasoline 535 is no comparison...torque truly pushes you back in your seat.

Can't wait!

[newtoav]

This was a fun thread to read. After many test drives of both the 535d (ROW 530d) and the 535i, I went for the gas (aka Otto) engine. I felt it was nimbler. No doubt, the torque in the d is truly awesome. Totally effortless acceleration - very much reminiscent of a V8. And it is quiet, no knocking perceivable from the inside at any speed. But - it felt heavier and less nimble. A bit like dancing with an extremely competent but slightly stiffer and older partner.

I suppose it comes down to a simple matter of personal preference.

[Diesel_Lover]

Diesel=farfegnugen

Waiting for eco-credit to order 535dx. Anybody know when it is expected?

Is DHP a must have?

My order so far will be:

535dx
Alpine White\Cinnamon interior
Harmon Kardon
DHP

[matbl]

A comment on the diesel vs. gas and mpg that was discussed a couple of posts back.

Main reason for diesel is the increased mpg. My 520d (F11) is rated at about 50 mpg. A 535i is less than 30 mpg.
20 mpg difference, 10k miles per year (low number for being in europe). That's 500 galons of saved fuel per year...
If you pay $4/gallon that's $2k less in fuel per year. For us in europe it's about twice that no matter if you're in norway, sweden, germany, france, uk, etc...

And as a bonus it's about $17K cheaper with only difference being the engine... The exterior, interior and everything else is still the same 5-series we all love...

What I don't get is why bmw na isn't offering the smaller diesel variants in the us...

[Diesel_Lover]

I especially don't understand why they don't offer these smaller diesels in the 1-series, or the upcoming 2-series.

If I were king of BMW, I would introduce a small Tacoma like pickup truck with a small diesel. I think it would look great with the signature kidney grill, and with a small diesel engine would be a big seller.

[Luminor513]

Originally Posted by metrathon

Well the price of diesel in US and the car inflated price, pretty much negates that fuel economy advantage. BMW is setting this car up for failure.

In Europe the 530d is EUR 3,350 CHEAPER than the 535i. In US the diesel is $1,500 MORE EXPENSIVE than the 535i. How does this makes sense, I don't know. I mean, when you want to penetrate a market with a new engine or a new model, you go cheaper not more expensive. It's just stupid IMO.

On top of this, it's the price of diesel in US which in average is 11% more expensive than gas.

So, unless you REALLY want your diesel or you plan to drive 20k+ miles a year, it makes no sense to buy the 535d over the 535i. There. I said it

Agreed. The price difference over 535i hurts the diesel argument. Very similar to the active hybrid 5. Just impossible to overcome the price increase unless you drive significant amount of miles/yr.

[raleedy]

Originally Posted by Luminor513

Agreed. The price difference over 535i hurts the diesel argument. Very similar to the active hybrid 5. Just impossible to overcome the price increase unless you drive significant amount of miles/yr.

I'd take this a step further: the base price of the 528i is $7,100 below that of the 535d. It offers comparable performance and a small penalty in fuel economy, partially offset by the lower price of premium fuel compared to diesel. And it's a lighter-weight car with corresponding benefits in handling. The biggest disadvantage is the lack of suspension options. But . . . . $7K!!

[Diesel_Lover]

You are forgetting to factor in the $4500 eco-credit that will come...

That brings the price to only $2500 more than the 528 with a lot more torque.

If the eco-credit never comes then you are right.

[IRIE]

Originally Posted by raleedy

I'd take this a step further: the base price of the 528i is $7,100 below that of the 535d. It offers comparable performance and a small penalty in fuel economy, partially offset by the lower price of premium fuel compared to diesel. And it's a lighter-weight car with corresponding benefits in handling. The biggest disadvantage is the lack of suspension options. But . . . . $7K!!

I agree, $7K is a lot of cake. But have you driven a 535d? If you have and you still say the engine's performance is comparable, then you make a good point.

[metrathon]

Originally Posted by raleedy

I'd take this a step further: the base price of the 528i is $7,100 below that of the 535d. It offers comparable performance and a small penalty in fuel economy, partially offset by the lower price of premium fuel compared to diesel. And it's a lighter-weight car with corresponding benefits in handling. The biggest disadvantage is the lack of suspension options. But . . . . $7K!!

There is no way you can compare the performance, unless you're referring strictly to 0 - 60 time on paper.
The 528i has 258 lb-ft, the 535d has 413 lb-ft. The difference in daily traffic is huge, especially when overtaking, when the 535d feels like a V-8 gas.

[Diesel_Lover]

Originally Posted by IRIE

I agree, $7K is a lot of cake. But have you driven a 535d? If you have and you still say the engine's performance is comparable, then you make a good point.

comparable, it smokes the 528i!

[DBV1]

Agree, there is no comparison the 528.